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Old 11-08-2005, 12:03 PM
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Default Bush lied to this country to get us into Iraq

Bush misled America to get us into a war that we didn't want and didn't need. There were no WMD's, and Saddam Hussain had absolutely no connection to September 11th even though Dick Cheney and the rest of the Bush crew repeatedly tried to imply that he did. We need to take back this country from the people who have perverted it to its core - starting wars for profit with countries that have nothing to do with our "national security" and killing American soldiers over a fight that is really about oil and nothing else.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:50 PM
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I agree that the Bush administration lied (or let's be kind and say "misled") the country into accepting this move into Iraq, but I don't buy the idea that it's always been about oil. I never bought that idea with the Gulf War and I don't think that's what's behind the move into Iraq.

I think it's more about the Bush administration trying to find something to distract the country about the fact that there are serious internal problems here that need to be dealt with, but they don't want to deal with them.

After all, Saddam Hussein was once our ally and who the heck do you think provided him with all the weapons his administration had and his supporters still have? The US for the most part. We wanted his support when we were involved in our actions against Iran and so supported his government and armed them to the hilt. If it weren't for that, Iraq would never have been in the position it was in to put up the fight it did and continues to do.

I'm tired of the Republicans using "terrorism" as an excuse for not dealing with real issues in the US ... if we continue to elect governments that ignore our own problems, New Orleans is going to look like a picnic in the park the next time a natural disaster occurs on this continent.

Sorry, but I'm tired of the "oil" excuse. There's plenty of oil to be had and the Bush family has been involved with the Saudis for decades in it, making a lot of money off the rising prices themselves. I think "oil" is just a convenient excuse that's become the reason for every stupid move in foreign affairs that this country makes.
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Old 11-09-2005, 07:44 PM
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I don't think the war in Iraq has anything to do with making war for profits -- it's all about making war for power.

It's kind of strange but I used to have nothing good to say about the Russians, but ever since the fall of the Russian empire, I have to admit they sure knew how to keep a lid on a lot of trouble spots.

I've done a lot of thinking about this and although I believe the United States of America is the greatest nation this world has ever known, I'm beginning to wonder if the key to our survival as the most powerful nation in the world isn't to have another nation superpower to balance things out a bit.

All I know is I'm a hell of a lot more worried about what's happening to Americans now (and what is coming up as terrorism continues to grow and spread through the world as a means of warfare) than I ever was during the Cold War when both Russia and the US could destroy the world hundreds of times over.
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Old 01-22-2006, 03:22 PM
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The maxim of Adolf Hitlers chief of information and propaganda was to repeat a lie often enough until it became fact and this seems to be a tactic of the radical left. President Bush didn't lie. There were WMDs and since the war a sarin gas shell in an IED exploded along the roadside effecting three servicemen. The only reason they were not killed along with a bunch of others was because the shell did not detonate in the designed fasion and only a minute amount of the gas was formed. Now sarin gas shells are classified by the United Nations as a weapon of mass destruction. So we know at least one existed after the war. Now it would take an idiot to believe that this single sarin gas shell was the only one in all of Iraq; but that begs the question where are the rest of these deadly shells. Of course anyone who follows these events closely knows great stores of conventional shell have been discovered buried in the desert. So a logical conclusion is that a large store of the sarin shells are also buried in the desert. These shells by nature would have had the highest security associated with preventng discovery.
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Old 01-22-2006, 07:16 PM
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Well, if there are thousands of shells with sarin gas hidden in the desert, why isn't any of the various groups running around blowing themselves up or kidnapping journalists digging those shells up and setting them off? It certainly can't be concern about Iraqui citizens, as these guys don't seem to care where they blow themselves up and which innocent citizens get killed.

Certainly with the Iraqui military as vast as it once was, someone is still alive and free who knows where they are, so why haven't they held the world hostage yet?

Plus, how many WMD do we have? Anyone have an idea? How come we get to have 'em and no one else does?
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:10 PM
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Bush misled America to get us into a war that we didn't want and didn't need. There were no WMD's, and Saddam Hussain had absolutely no connection to September 11th even though Dick Cheney and the rest of the Bush crew repeatedly tried to imply that he did. We need to take back this country from the people who have perverted it to its core - starting wars for profit with countries that have nothing to do with our "national security" and killing American soldiers over a fight that is really about oil and nothing else.
In Adolf Hitlers rise to power, he appointed Paul Joseph Goebbels to a new ministry of Popular Enlightenment and Propaganda. Goebbels maxim was to repeat a lie over and over and over again until it became imbedded into the minds of the public as fact. So I assume you are one who pracitices Goebbels maxim or else you are just ignorant of the facts are you just repeat heresay because you can't possibly know what Bush really thought and as far as WMDs are concern the fact that they haven't found "LARGE" quantities does not mean they don't exist. It is a fact that a sarin gas shell exploded a few months back so that means at least one existed and you would have to be an idiot to think that the single exploded shell was the only one in all of Iraq.
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Old 01-31-2006, 02:13 PM
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Well, if there are thousands of shells with sarin gas hidden in the desert, why isn't any of the various groups running around blowing themselves up or kidnapping journalists digging those shells up and setting them off? It certainly can't be concern about Iraqui citizens, as these guys don't seem to care where they blow themselves up and which innocent citizens get killed.

Certainly with the Iraqui military as vast as it once was, someone is still alive and free who knows where they are, so why haven't they held the world hostage yet?

Plus, how many WMD do we have? Anyone have an idea? How come we get to have 'em and no one else does?
Recently if you watch the news, Saddems top advisor said that the WMDs were transported to Syria just prror to the war. As far as the stuff being burried in the desert that is just a guess on my part. They are still finding buried stores of shells in the desert. Not all have been found. WMDs would have a much higher security associated with their hiding. As far as we may have some has nothing to do with the original thread that Bush lied. I think you are a typical leftist.

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Old 01-31-2006, 04:12 PM
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Jack1234 said, "I think it's more about the Bush administration trying to find something to distract the country about the fact that there are serious internal problems here that need to be dealt with, but they don't want to deal with them." Now the above has to be the most specious thought I have heard is a while. It seems left can't deal with the facts, they just make up something.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:18 PM
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I did vote for George H but must admit that George W seems to create intelligence to support his desires. Not exactly a way to protect our country.I will probably vote republican 2008 if its not another Bush. I cannot get over his lack of fortitude in dealing with the Saudi nationals that funded and flew planes in the twin towers.
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Old 01-31-2006, 04:58 PM
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moderatejim there is no, none, zilch evidence to the assertion you made. You are not moderate. You are practicing Goebbels maxim.
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