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Old 02-03-2006, 11:35 PM
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14 UN Security Council resolutions dating back to the mid 90. All of them were in violation. The members of the security counsil were:

US, UK France, GermanyRussia, China,, Angola, Cameroon, Chile, Guinea, and our neighbors to the south...Mexico.

In a few words, I will tell you that the resolutions condemned Iraq and Saddam Hussein for violations - possessing WMD. 11 countries were convinced through their own and UN intellegence that Saddam Hussein possessed and was acquiring WMD.

Saddam had even used WMD's to kill 10's of thousands of women & children - even machine gunning them from helicopters as they fled. One moron on another string doesn't know that toxic gas is a WMD.

It is much more accurate to say President Bush and the rest of the UN got duped by a very crafty Iraqi. There is a book out now by the Iraqi General in charge of the airforce. His story is that the stockpile is in Syria. How big a surprise would that be ?

No, anybody that calls President Bush a liar is a terminal liberal who just wants to say it. Howard Dean lemmings without a thought in their little liberal air heads.

Here is a news flash: Clinton lied, looked each one of us in the eye and said, "I did not have sex with that woman......" , George Sr. broke a promise, " Read my lips, no new taxes", Richard Nixon Lied, " I don't know anything about it !"

But President George Bush did not lie, I'll grant you he got bamboosled, along with the other 10 nations of the UN Security council. But he did not lie.

May Saddam Hussein used them all up killing hundreds of thousands of Shiites in southern iraq. The WMD s were there, we saw them being used to kill Iraqi families. That's no lie.

IN conclusion: Anyone who calls President Bush a liar is themselves a liar.
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Old 02-04-2006, 02:00 AM
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You left out a huge chunk of information. the UN security through its weapons inspections determined that Iraq did not have WMD. Gas and chemicals are not considered the WMD's we our government is looking for. All countries have chemicals and gas including Burma,Saudia Arabia, Mexico. I think as testified by Richard clarke,Colin Powell and many others that only certain intelligence was presented and manipulated.I believe it takes are focus and resourses off real threats and depletes our army and $. Now all that said I do not want him to fail to bring a democracy I just do not think he has integrity, Yes many presidents have lied probably all of them at times.Yet it seems more human to lie about your sex life than something that takes our country to war.
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Old 02-04-2006, 07:12 PM
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Chemical weapons are classified as weapons of mass destruction by the United Nations according to UN Resolution 687, and its production and stockpiling was outlawed by the Chemical Weapons Convention of 1993.

Your earlier Hitler comment renders you totally lacking in credibility of any kind and incapable of engaging in rational discourse.
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Old 02-05-2006, 12:07 AM
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I do not think Bush lied but he pressured intelligence to give him enough to support for what he was determined to do. I think he banked on enough Americans thinking Iraq was behind it and would forget his close alliance with Saudia Arabia who financed the terrorists. I think when people speak out against it, it is because they know the truth.Patriotic people are not sheep that will follow any lie. They value there democracy so much that to have someone smear it is outrageous and they will call them on it.
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Old 02-05-2006, 12:46 AM
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It was well known to the CIA as far back as the early 80' that terrorism was going to be the greatest threat to the world and the US in the future. The real problem of course are the terrorist states like IRAN that sponsor terrorist . These religious zealots won't have second thoughts in providing a terrorist group with a nuke if they get them. I am probably twice the age of most on this chat. I have children in in their 50s. Back in the 80s I was working in the Washington area and warned my children to move out of the DC area. They didn't take me seriously and even today some are in Northern Virginia and one in Manhatten. My son in Manhatten could see the smoke from the 9/11 attack. Today, though they still live there they at least acknowledge that it is dangerous. If terrorist ever get the nuke, there is a chance they will get it into one of these cities regardless of our security. I really don't think the average american understands the gravity of the situation and it is potentially far more problematic that it is going at happen at some point in the future. If it happens it is going to be a very bad day for the world. Prior to becoming President George Bush was almost an isolationist. After 9/11 he changed considerably because he finally realized that the oceans could not and would not protect us from this threat. Even though some in the intelligence world had warned every president since the early 80's none really took it too seriously. Clinton could have had Ben Ladens head on a platter and did nothing. George Bush is the first President that has tried to do something about the problem and he has taken nothing but grief from the political left. That's why I compare him to Lincoln. He will in retrospect be seen as a great President in the future especially if moves the country to solving the terrorist problem. Although I do not agree with everything he does on this issue I support him 100% and I think all thinking american should also.
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Old 02-05-2006, 12:59 AM
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idid... said, "Gas and chemicals are not considered the WMD's we our government is looking for". Now you are making things up and are completely ignorant of the facts. According to the United Nations, sarin gas used in artillery shells is a WMD. Also according to the United Nations mustard gas is a weapon of mass destruction. Sarin gas is about 500 times more toxic that cyanide gas. Both sarin gas and mustard gas have been found in IRAQ since the war! NO, they didn't find a large stockpile-not yet anyway but Saddems chief advisor has recently said that the WMDs were sent into Syria just prior to the war. Igorance is bliss, but before you go mouthing off you need to do your homework. And where in the world did you get the idea "we our government is looking for." We new he didn't have nukes atlthough he had tried to get them.

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Old 02-05-2006, 01:16 AM
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THE MAIN LINE PRESS QUIETLY BURRIED THE FACT THAT A SARAIN GAS SHELL WAS EXPLOSED IN A IED. The only reason no one was seriously hurt was because the binary agents did not mix because the shell did not explode as it was designed to explode.
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Old 02-06-2006, 07:52 PM
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"The people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders.That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked by whomever you want to attack and then denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger.It works the same in any country" this quote by Nazi leader Reichsmarshall Hermann Goering
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:39 PM
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a25 you have said one thing that I agree with...Nuclear proliferation is our biggest threat... what I disagree with is what to do. I dont think invading Iraq was the answer,that said i dont want them to fail but help rebuild and get out. I think this war has made us more vulnerable by taking our focus off countries withthe ability to attack us.
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Old 02-06-2006, 10:40 PM
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Eli you have made a very telling point... it is almost frightening
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