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Originally Posted by Cordelier
I think you're missing the point, Badmutha... The US media didn't lose the war in Vietnam - you lost because the other side just wanted it more.
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Cord read the words from a general in the North Vietnamese Army:
"What we still don't understand is why you Americans stopped the bombing of Hanoi. You had us on the ropes. If you had pressed us a little harder, just for another day or two, we were ready to surrender! It was the same at the battles of TET. You defeated us! We knew it, and we thought you knew it. But we were elated to notice your media was definitely helping us. They were causing more disruption in America than we could in the battlefields. We
were ready to surrender. You had won!" --General Giap
The US was not defeated on the battlefield--they were defeated by the liberal media on the homefront.
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The Viet Cong knew they were going to take a beating in Tet - and yet they did it anyway... why? Because they were fighting for their country - they were fighting for the very essence of their existance and they were willing to lay down their lives for it.
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Wrong--they were hoping for the South vietnamese to join them in an uprising designed to force out the US. The name of the operation was --(Tet Mau Than) which translates "uprising". What the NVA didnt take into account was that the FREE people in south vietnam werent so willing to give up their freedom for communism--and the south vietnamese decided to fight communism rather than embrace it..
The US never lost a battle--but yet they lost the war
The US dealt out a BEATING to the NVA during Tet--and yet Tet is considered a loss for the US.
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What were the Americans fighting for? They were fighting so that they could stay alive long enough to run out the clock on their tour and get back to the world. It's not the dog in the fight, it's the fight in the dog, Badmutha.
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They were fighting for freedom--to stop the spread of slavery and communism. But how could any soilder fight for anything when their own country is calling them baby killers. How can any soilder fight for anything when your fighting a war with regulations being dictated by POLITICIANS. There is plenty of fight in the US dog--but only if you let him fight!
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And it's the same in Iraq - Iraq is their country and they're willing to fight and die for what they believe in... what other alternative do they have? Where else are they going to go? If you were in their place, would you be content to sit back and have your country's future dictated to you by foreigners?
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Yes Cord--Iraqis are stepping forth in record numbers to fight for what they believe in--that being FREEDOM--and its Iraqis taking the fight to Al Queada--fighting alongside the US military under the banner of freedom and democracy.