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Old 11-29-2007, 06:46 PM
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well somehow I didnt read the first post. I dont buy it.
Okay....I was a little puzzled for a minute.....

I think we're pretty close to the same page on most of this.....
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Old 11-29-2007, 06:50 PM
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The U-boats scared Churchill but well I dont like Churchill. The few that could reach to America really couldnt impact much. either way U boats cant threaten a nation. They could starve an army overseas but cant invade a country. When I think things that cold be a threat its a couple million troops on the shores with ample supplies and equipment. Thats never going to happen to America.
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Old 11-30-2007, 04:21 AM
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The U-boats scared Churchill but well I dont like Churchill. The few that could reach to America really couldnt impact much. either way U boats cant threaten a nation. They could starve an army overseas but cant invade a country. When I think things that cold be a threat its a couple million troops on the shores with ample supplies and equipment. Thats never going to happen to America.
Yes there is one Nation on this planet that could do it.
CHINA
If you don't think that possible, your deluding yourself.
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Old 11-30-2007, 10:44 AM
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Yes there is one Nation on this planet that could do it.
CHINA
If you don't think that possible, your deluding yourself.
The PAmerican pacific fleet is more then enough to stop them.
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:07 AM
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Oh c'mon Nathan....Iraq could barely get across the border....your argument is pretty weak....

The Nazi's were working on weapons that could have reached the East Coast......they WERE a threat....and they destroyed large parts of British cities....

Iraq was not and is not. Neither is Iran....

Like I said, try again, this doesn't work.....
Iran has missles currently that will fly 1200 miles with others of longer range capabilities in the works. They currently can hit many European capitals. Iran and Germany can be compared on many parallels. Iran, whether you want to believe it or not, is working on the development of nuclear weapons. Iran has repeated called for the destruction of Isreal, England, and the United States. A Holocaust survivor was quoted as saying "the biggest lesson learned from the holocaust is that if someone tells you they are working for your destruction believe them" I certainly believe that Iran has the potential for developing nuclear weapons and delivery systems that would allow them into the heart of Europe and Asia. What do we do, wait until Paris, Rome and Madrid are nuclear wastelands? Are you willing to risk your life on a gamble that Iran is just goofing on us? I am not
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The U-boats scared Churchill but well I dont like Churchill. The few that could reach to America really couldnt impact much. either way U boats cant threaten a nation. They could starve an army overseas but cant invade a country. When I think things that cold be a threat its a couple million troops on the shores with ample supplies and equipment. Thats never going to happen to America.
You don't have to conquer or invade to threaten a nation. It is naive and rather ignorant to even think that these are the only ways to threaten a nation.

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The PAmerican pacific fleet is more then enough to stop them.
Yeah, there is no way anyone can invade America, but it still doesn't mean we can't be threatened. Kind of dumb to think that is the only way to be threatened.
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Yeah, there is no way anyone can invade America, but it still doesn't mean we can't be threatened. Kind of dumb to think that is the only way to be threatened.



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Iran has missles currently that will fly 1200 miles with others of longer range capabilities in the works. They currently can hit many European capitals. Iran and Germany can be compared on many parallels. Iran, whether you want to believe it or not, is working on the development of nuclear weapons. Iran has repeated called for the destruction of Isreal, England, and the United States. A Holocaust survivor was quoted as saying "the biggest lesson learned from the holocaust is that if someone tells you they are working for your destruction believe them" I certainly believe that Iran has the potential for developing nuclear weapons and delivery systems that would allow them into the heart of Europe and Asia. What do we do, wait until Paris, Rome and Madrid are nuclear wastelands? Are you willing to risk your life on a gamble that Iran is just goofing on us? I am not
Hi nathan,

Honestly, nathan, I have to agree with Heckler and NYOB here....I don't think you can make a solid comparison between 1941 Germany and 2003 Iraq or today's Iran. Both Iraq and Iran are small players compared to what Germany was in 1941. Germany was a world power who had already destroyed the French and the English were barely holding on....and those were our two biggest allies in Europe. That alone...the potential economic/political/military isolation....was a far bigger threat than anything the Iraqis or Iranians could or can muster.....throw the Japanese (Germany's ally) and the Pacific in there and we were really facing some serious problems....our involvement was inevitable.

So, comparing the "threats".....1941 Germany and 2003-7 Iraq/Iran is a non-starter from the get go. Your point about the Iranians developing nukes and ballistic missiles is a concern...one that is similar to North Korea. The key question is how to best deal with these potential changes.

As far as Iraq goes, the more good news the better....and hopefully that translates into getting our people out of there sooner than later. But, honestly, nathan...and I have said this on a previous thread...it could be nothing but rainbows and lolly pops in Iraq from here on out....and I still think that the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 was a colossal fuck up of the largest magnitude...and I think we will be dealing with the repercussions of it for quite some time. It would be nice to leave Iraq on at least some kind of decent terms....but, I'm still not convinced that will happen...hopefully, I'm wrong; I guess we will see.
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:03 PM
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Hi nathan,

Honestly, nathan, I have to agree with Heckler and NYOB here....I don't think you can make a solid comparison between 1941 Germany and 2003 Iraq or today's Iran. Both Iraq and Iran are small players compared to what Germany was in 1941. Germany was a world power who had already destroyed the French and the English were barely holding on....and those were our two biggest allies in Europe. That alone...the potential economic/political/military isolation....was a far bigger threat than anything the Iraqis or Iranians could or can muster.....throw the Japanese (Germany's ally) and the Pacific in there and we were really facing some serious problems....our involvement was inevitable.

So, comparing the "threats".....1941 Germany and 2003-7 Iraq/Iran is a non-starter from the get go. Your point about the Iranians developing nukes and ballistic missiles is a concern...one that is similar to North Korea. The key question is how to best deal with these potential changes.
Hi Norman, it does seem a bit forced, and doesn't really fit well....

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As far as Iraq goes, the more good news the better....and hopefully that translates into getting our people out of there sooner than later. But, honestly, nathan...and I have said this on a previous thread...it could be nothing but rainbows and lolly pops in Iraq from here on out....and I still think that the decision to invade Iraq in 2003 was a colossal fuck up of the largest magnitude...and I think we will be dealing with the repercussions of it for quite some time. It would be nice to leave Iraq on at least some kind of decent terms....but, I'm still not convinced that will happen...hopefully, I'm wrong; I guess we will see.
I couldn't agree more! I think we are going to be paying for this mess for quite awhile, and with more than just money....

I still don't get how anyone can make the claim this was worthwhile OR justified...
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Old 11-30-2007, 02:07 PM
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You don't have to conquer or invade to threaten a nation. It is naive and rather ignorant to even think that these are the only ways to threaten a nation.



Yeah, there is no way anyone can invade America, but it still doesn't mean we can't be threatened. Kind of dumb to think that is the only way to be threatened.
Sure, there are means other than physical force by which to threaten a nation, but that was more or less the emphasis on this thread...
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