US kills civilians

Upton · #1 (**permalink**) 11-28-2007, 12:58 PM

Same old story, I wonder if the US military is proud of all the non combatants they've "accidentally" killed.

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U.S. military kills civilians
McClatchy Newspapers

BAGHDAD — For the second day in a row, U.S. soldiers on Tuesday killed Iraqi civilians when they fired on a vehicle that they thought was a threat, the U.S. military said.

The U.S. military also reported that two soldiers were killed by a roadside bomb in Salah ad Din province. Two other soldiers were wounded. The military provided no further details on the incident and didn't release the names of the dead.

The shooting deaths of the civilians took place in the al Shaab neighborhood of northern Baghdad. Two people died and four were injured when an American soldier fired at a minibus that was transporting workers to a bank operated by the Iraqi Finance Ministry, the military said in a statement. But Iraqi police and employees at al Rasheed Bank said that four people were killed, including three women, and that two were injured.

The minibus was driving near a U.S. military outpost when it ended up on a road where only car traffic is permitted, the military said. American soldiers signaled the minibus to stop, and when it didn't, one of them fired a warning shot.

A military official familiar with the incident said the warning shot struck the pavement in front of the vehicle and broke apart, spraying the minibus with pieces. The official asked not to be named because he wasn't authorized to speak in detail about the incident.

A spokesman for U.S. forces in Iraq acknowledged the deaths of the civilians. "We regret when civilians are killed, and we do feel terrible about it," the spokesman, Maj. Brad Leighton, said. He said the incident was under investigation.

On Monday, a child and two men were killed when they rushed through a U.S. military roadblock while the military was conducting an operation in Bayji, north of Baghdad. U.S. soldiers opened fire on the vehicle; only when they searched the car did they discover the child inside.

The back-to-back incidents come as U.S. and Iraqi officials prepare to negotiate a treaty that will set new rules to govern U.S. military activities in Iraq. The announcement of the negotiations was part of a "declaration of principles" that Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al Maliki and President Bush signed on Monday.

Under the agreement, the U.N. authorization that permits U.S. troops to operate in the country will be extended for one final year. After that extension expires in December 2008, a U.S.-Iraq treaty will set the terms for continued U.S. operations.

Those terms are to be negotiated by July 31 and are likely to be influenced by growing Iraqi impatience with the deaths of civilians during U.S. military operations.

Maliki has long been a critic of civilian deaths and what he says are U.S. troops' breaches of Iraqi sovereignty. As recently as August, he criticized the U.S. military for raids in two Shiite neighborhoods in Baghdad that the U.S. said killed "eight terrorists" but that residents said killed and wounded civilians.

"There were big mistakes committed in these operations," Maliki said then. "The terrorist himself should be targeted, not his family."

On Tuesday, Saad Abdul Wahid, a bank employee, said he called one of the women aboard the minibus after he'd heard of the shooting from a colleague.

Through tears, she told him that the bus was hurrying to pick up passengers when a shot rang out from a nearby Humvee, he said. The driver tried to reverse. He couldn't, and before it was over four people were dead, she said.

"Nidhal, Ishraq, Um Tha'er and..." Wahid recalled her saying through tears, listing the names of the dead women. But before she could utter the last name, she broke into heavy sobs.

Wahid said that the woman told him that the minibus stopped because the driver was injured. An American soldier ran over and quickly realized what had happened.

"We are sorry; we are so sorry," the soldier said.

"Is sorry enough to bring back our friends to life?" Wahid asked. "They keep making their mistakes day by day and we are paying too much."

McClatchy Washington Bureau | 11/27/2007 | U.S. military kills civilians in Iraq, apologizes

hexum · #2 (**permalink**) 12-03-2007, 10:50 PM

wahid's right. they are paying a high fucking price for whatever it is that they are getting....

36shadow · #3 (**permalink**) 12-04-2007, 04:49 PM

Hey wonder boy you know how many innocent Americans are harmed, beaten or killed by cops, and how many innocent bystanders are injured or killed by the cops. So does that mean we don't fight crime or just get rid of the cops altogether. I wonder if your proud that you don't speak out about this. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm or do nothing to stop it.

noneof yourbusiness · #4 (**permalink**) 12-05-2007, 03:46 AM

This gets so much into ssplitting hairs its a useless back and forth. somebody engages American forces in a popualted area and innocents get caught in the crossfire. Perhaps heart by American panic fire..... thats sucks but what would you have them do? just lay down and take it? Let the guys who open up on them and dont care at all who gets hit just spray gunfire all over. Or do you return fire in hopes of stopping it as quickly as possible? Same with a cop scenario...? Imorailty of war is not a subject I would debate with anybody. It is immoral..always. But when that American kid is put there and has to dfend hmself and others. Hes gotta do this kind of thing and bad things happen.

Blame bush sure. No question there. I also blame inadequate training, and poor dicipline. But alot of these are just tragic accdents too. Its much different then the compmalints ive had about cetin weapons not being accurate enough. The thigns like this arctile ais speaking off our individual scenarios with circumstances that are usually not reported and thus they are misinterpreted. have US forces commited murder and rape? Yes(fuck of Smitty you turd) they have. Is ever case like the one above unqeustionably murder? Hell no.

They shouldnt be there its all a bad thing yes yes yes. But there is still a point where al the discussion and bullshit goes out the window and comes down to letting you and your buddies die along with this civis or trying to fight back and end the particular engagement qucikly. Its a weird topsy turvy thing in war but there is no doubt that sometimes the best way to save lives is to end other lives quickly. Same with cops and shootouts here in America. It does suck but Soldiers are not always the last stop in the chain of blame for them.

Stryker · #5 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

This gets so much into ssplitting hairs its a useless back and forth. somebody engages American forces in a popualted area and innocents get caught in the crossfire. Perhaps heart by American panic fire..... thats sucks but what would you have them do? just lay down and take it? Let the guys who open up on them and dont care at all who gets hit just spray gunfire all over. Or do you return fire in hopes of stopping it as quickly as possible? Same with a cop scenario...? Imorailty of war is not a subject I would debate with anybody. It is immoral..always. But when that American kid is put there and has to dfend hmself and others. Hes gotta do this kind of thing and bad things happen.

Blame bush sure. No question there. I also blame inadequate training, and poor dicipline. But alot of these are just tragic accdents too. Its much different then the compmalints ive had about cetin weapons not being accurate enough. The thigns like this arctile ais speaking off our individual scenarios with circumstances that are usually not reported and thus they are misinterpreted. have US forces commited murder and rape? Yes(fuck of Smitty you turd) they have. Is ever case like the one above unqeustionably murder? Hell no.

They shouldnt be there its all a bad thing yes yes yes. But there is still a point where al the discussion and bullshit goes out the window and comes down to letting you and your buddies die along with this civis or trying to fight back and end the particular engagement qucikly. Its a weird topsy turvy thing in war but there is no doubt that sometimes the best way to save lives is to end other lives quickly. Same with cops and shootouts here in America. It does suck but Soldiers are not always the last stop in the chain of blame for them.

What the hell do you know about our training and discipline?

noneof yourbusiness · #6 (**permalink**) 12-10-2007, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

What the hell do you know about our training and discipline?

A hell alot more then your wannabe ass, BOY

Stryker · #7 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

A hell alot more then your wannabe ass, BOY

Then share it with me. What is Army infantry training like, what do they teach there? What are some good things about it and what are some things that need to be improved or changed? Since you know so much, then obviosuly these would be easy things to answer/

noneof yourbusiness · #8 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

Then share it with me. What is Army infantry training like, what do they teach there? What are some good things about it and what are some things that need to be improved or changed? Since you know so much, then obviosuly these would be easy things to answer/

Start with a little ass kicking. These little fuckers are coddled. I dont want to hear about strees cards. I dont want to hear anybody tell me there a myth either cause they werent.

A realistic and in depth class on proper conduct and the genva convention would be nice. That fucking movie they showed us was nothing but a joke. All basic traning must be reverted to pre-1990 criculums. No women no gays, This is not burger king you cant have it your way. Theres more to being a soldier then road marches and fireing ranges.

Cookie Parker · #9 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 36shadow

Hey wonder boy you know how many innocent Americans are harmed, beaten or killed by cops, and how many innocent bystanders are injured or killed by the cops. So does that mean we don't fight crime or just get rid of the cops altogether. I wonder if your proud that you don't speak out about this. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm or do nothing to stop it.

WTF?

Get a grip and read the article.

ONEWHITEDUCK · #10 (**permalink**) 12-11-2007, 02:58 PM

Who Bans More Free Speech=INFORMATION .... Cock Knocker Lesbean :-(