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Fact: Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction at one time.
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Who cares....we didn't.
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Fact: Saddam didnt cooperate with the Weapons inspectors.
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That's true for the most part; however, we did gain access to the site where Curveball claimed was a site of mobile biological weapons production about two months before the war....and that was the key point in Powell's briefing to the UN. Curveball was a fraud and we knew it....and he was a crucial piece of the case for war.
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Fact: Sadams 2nd in command said that saddam loaded the weapons in commercial jets and flew them to Syria.
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No one buys this, Smitty...I hate to say it, but no one does. If even remotely true, we would pursue Syria...as they have had strong ties to terrorism...but we aren't. The 2004 CIA report has said unequivocally that Iraq did not have WMDs; they didn't have the means of production, maintenance, etc.
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Fact: If Saddam just cooperated with the UN Inspectors we would have avoided war with Iraq all to gather.
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Well, he had his reasons not to....like his next door neighbors...didn't anybody think about that?
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Fact: Every Administration since the 1980's claimed that Saddam had WMD's
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Well, the ones in the 80s would have been correct....although they certainly to seem all that concerned by it. Since the 80s, claims of WMDs have been primarily political grandstanding justifying attacks displaying Presidential leadership...that includes both Clinton and GWB.
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11-05-2007, 12:27 PM
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Nobody who has not admitted they made a mistake to vote for this war , should get our vote for president.
I can think of candidates on both sides who have said maybe we should have worked a little harder to avoid the war in hind sight now . But they voted for it in the congress and senate and have not had the balls to admit that was a mistake.
We do not need another president who thinks they never make a mistake.
Ron Paul did not vote for the War
On the left John Edwards has admitted he made a mistake to vote for this war. At least he is man enough to admit his mistakes.
Dennis Kucinich did not vote for the war
BaraK Obama did not vote for this war.
Richards being a governor did not have the opportunity to vote for the war.
That pretty much narrows the field of possibilities for me.
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BaraK Obama did not vote for this war.
Obama ALSO does NOT pledge to this country!!
I have a photo in my possession with Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin standing during the national anthem and Obama is the ONLY one with out his hand over his heart during a Pledge of Allegiance. who does not claim to an allegiance towards the United States of America
That tells me that he is an honest person - but a vote him means an alliance towards what he stands for - Anti American Allegiance.
... ONLY a sell out would vote for them.
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11-05-2007, 12:36 PM
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I have seen the photo Joe.
let me ask you something , if we had a photo of say ..... You picking your nose....... Would it be fair to say Joe always picks his nose?
Your photo is nonsense as I have seen Obama place his hand over his heart and say the pledge .
This I know is hard for people to comprehend when they see things only through the eyes of the party they support.
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BaraK Obama did not vote for this war.
Obama ALSO does NOT pledge to this country!!
I have a photo in my possession with Senator Barack Obama, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Hillary Clinton and Ruth Harkin standing during the national anthem and Obama is the ONLY one with out his hand over his heart during a Pledge of Allegiance. who does not claim to an allegiance towards the United States of America
That tells me that he is an honest person - but a vote him means an alliance towards what he stands for - Anti American Allegiance.
... ONLY a sell out would vote for them.
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11-05-2007, 12:41 PM
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All based on lies and they knew in time to stop it...
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Well of course
All of this is our creation.
Does anyone think this shit through?
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Who cares....we didn't.
That's true for the most part; however, we did gain access to the site where Curveball claimed was a site of mobile biological weapons production about two months before the war....and that was the key point in Powell's briefing to the UN. Curveball was a fraud and we knew it....and he was a crucial piece of the case for war.
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According to CIA sources, Ibn al Shaykh al Libbi, after two weeks of enhanced interrogation, made statements that were designed to tell the interrogators what they wanted to hear. Sources say Al Libbi had been subjected to each of the progressively harsher techniques in turn and finally broke after being water boarded and then left to stand naked in his cold cell overnight where he was doused with cold water at regular intervals.
His statements became part of the basis for the Bush administration claims that Iraq trained al Qaeda members to use biochemical weapons. Sources tell ABC that it was later established that al Libbi had no knowledge of such training or weapons and fabricated the statements because he was terrified of further harsh treatment.
Sadly-besides "Curveball" we tortured until the "intel" was extracted from one man for we wanted to hear to make the case for war . I think we lost our souls on this drumbeat to war. Heck maybe we can catch a few Iranians and torture them until they tell us just what we need to hear-afterall that just "gets em back" for 9-11 anyway .
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11-05-2007, 12:53 PM
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I have seen the photo Joe.
let me ask you something , if we had a photo of say ..... You picking your nose....... Would it be fair to say Joe always picks his nose?
Your photo is nonsense as I have seen Obama place his hand over his heart and say the pledge .
This I know is hard for people to comprehend when they see things only through the eyes of the party they support.
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Nice!!!
Pot Calling The Kettle Black ...
that is a new one! 
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11-05-2007, 01:03 PM
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Yes, I supported the ramp up to war. Regardless of the fact that I am a conservative and regestered Republican, Smitty asks a valid question. If Saddam open up let us see that he had no weapons? That means he is just as much to blame for this war as Bush, Curveball and anyoneelse.
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11-05-2007, 01:05 PM
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No inspoectors claimed any problem verifying the weapons until Bush pulled them out.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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11-05-2007, 01:08 PM
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Yes, I supported the ramp up to war. Regardless of the fact that I am a conservative and regestered Republican, Smitty asks a valid question. If Saddam open up let us see that he had no weapons? That means he is just as much to blame for this war as Bush, Curveball and anyoneelse.
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That assumes, Rob, that WMDs are a valid premise for going to war. And by the way, Rob, Saddam was cooperating with inspectors....at least enough for us to determine that the biological weapons labs (claimed by Curveball) were bunk two months before the war.
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11-05-2007, 01:18 PM
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Huh???? Where in the hell did you get this from, Smitty? That's a little revisionist history...I think. Boy, you don't like those Democrats do you...
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Franklin Roosevelt, at the outbreak of World War II in September 1939, said the United States must be neutral. One year later, campaigning for a third term, he pledged that American boys wouldn’t be sent to Europe to fight in World War II. Ofcourse 90% of the country were isolationists. Nevertheless my arguement doesent hold much weight because The democrats did the exact same thing in WW2 that the republicans did in Iraq. However the Republicans of today didnt wait for another attack to go on the offensive! They along with the democrats vowed to fight terror and disarm thoes who pose a threat to the US. But its not as popular than it was before. Thats because the democrats used it as a political oppertunity to make Bush look bad as opposed to actualy partisipating and suggesting anything that would work better!
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11-05-2007, 01:21 PM
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Who cares....we didn't.
That's true for the most part; however, we did gain access to the site where Curveball claimed was a site of mobile biological weapons production about two months before the war....and that was the key point in Powell's briefing to the UN. Curveball was a fraud and we knew it....and he was a crucial piece of the case for war.
No one buys this, Smitty...I hate to say it, but no one does. If even remotely true, we would pursue Syria...as they have had strong ties to terrorism...but we aren't. The 2004 CIA report has said unequivocally that Iraq did not have WMDs; they didn't have the means of production, maintenance, etc.
Well, he had his reasons not to....like his next door neighbors...didn't anybody think about that?
Well, the ones in the 80s would have been correct....although they certainly to seem all that concerned by it. Since the 80s, claims of WMDs have been primarily political grandstanding justifying attacks displaying Presidential leadership...that includes both Clinton and GWB.
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Storman the fact is this. If Saddam Cooperated with us then we wouldent have gone to war with him. However if it were up to me I would have done so anyway!
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