The lies that started the war: Curveball

Joe_King · #11 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

CBSNews.com

this shows it all. hopefully it works direct link

actually a GOOD LINK! (If CBS keeps this up they may loose their status as the Communist Broadcast System

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/wmdfinalreport.pdf was on that page ...

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Saddam’s primary goal from 1991 to 2003 was to have UN sanctions lifted, while maintaining the security
of the Regime. He sought to balance the need to cooperate with UN inspections—to gain support for lifting
sanctions—with his intention to preserve Iraq’s intellectual capital for WMD with a minimum of foreign
intrusiveness and loss of face. Indeed, this remained the goal to the end of the Regime, as the starting of any
WMD program, conspicuous or otherwise, risked undoing the progress achieved in eroding sanctions and
jeopardizing a political end to the embargo and international monitoring.
• The introduction of the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) in late 1996 was a key turning point for the Regime.

OFF rescued Baghdad’s economy from a terminal decline created by sanctions. The Regime quickly came
to see that OFF could be corrupted to acquire foreign exchange both to further undermine sanctions and to
provide the means to enhance dual-use infrastructure and potential WMD-related development.
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By 2000-2001, Saddam had managed to mitigate many of the effects of sanctions and undermine their
international support. Iraq was within striking distance of a de facto end to the sanctions regime, both in
terms of oil exports and the trade embargo, by the end of 1999.

Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability—which was essentially destroyed in 1991—after sanctions
were removed and Iraq’s economy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that
which previously existed. Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability—in an incremental fashion,
irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks—but he intended to focus on ballistic
missile and tactical chemical warfare (CW) capabilities.

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Iran was the pre-eminent motivator of this policy. All senior level Iraqi offi cials considered Iran to be Iraq’s
principal enemy in the region. The wish to balance Israel and acquire status and infl uence in the Arab world
were also considerations, but secondary.
• Iraq Survey Group (ISG) judges that events in the 1980s and early 1990s shaped Saddam’s belief in the
value of WMD. In Saddam’s view, WMD helped to save the Regime multiple times. He believed that during
the Iran-Iraq war chemical weapons had halted Iranian ground offensives and that ballistic missile attacks
on Tehran had broken its political will. Similarly, during Desert Storm, Saddam believed WMD had deterred
Coalition Forces from pressing their attack beyond the goal of freeing Kuwait. WMD had even played a role
in crushing the Shi’a revolt in the south following the 1991 cease-fi re.
• The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither
was there an identifi able group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam. Instead, his lieutenants
understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent,

but fi rm, verbal comments and directions to them.

BY THE WAY - Lib's - YOUR OWN political hopefuls were in support of it too ... it wasn't JUST the right ....

wvpeach · #12 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 09:53 AM

Nobody who has not admitted they made a mistake to vote for this war , should get our vote for president.

I can think of candidates on both sides who have said maybe we should have worked a little harder to avoid the war in hind sight now . But they voted for it in the congress and senate and have not had the balls to admit that was a mistake.

We do not need another president who thinks they never make a mistake.

Ron Paul did not vote for the War

On the left John Edwards has admitted he made a mistake to vote for this war. At least he is man enough to admit his mistakes.

Dennis Kucinich did not vote for the war

BaraK Obama did not vote for this war.

Richards being a governor did not have the opportunity to vote for the war.

That pretty much narrows the field of possibilities for me.

Smitty0311 · #13 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

All based on lies and they knew in time to stop it...

[quote=Smitty0311;246721]2) Myth: President Bush lied about Saddam’s WMD’s to trick congress.

The Pentagon, CIA, DIA, MI6, The UN and other foreign intelligence agencies all said that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction. They also knew about Saddam’s history of killing his own people with VX nerve agent. These claims go back many years however democrats are quick to forget Bill Clinton’s claims on the same issue. Democrats also forget about their fellow democratic politicians on their respective intelligence comities that also made the case for WMD’s in Iraq. Among the many democrats that made the case for WMD’s are Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Howard Dean, Harry Reid, John Kerry, Wesley Clark, John Edwards, Edward Kennedy, Richard Gephardt, and Al Gore. Hans Blix (the chief UN weapons inspector) also made the same accusation back in January of 2003. Maybe if Saddam allowed for the inspectors to do their job then things would have gone different. But if he had done that where would he have found the time to ship out his WMD’s? At least that’s what his Air Force General Said. Below are a few quotes.
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Foreign Minister Domin¬ique de Villepin told the U.N. Security Council on February 5, 2003:Right now, our attention has to be focused as a priority on the biological and chemical domains. It is there that our presumptions about Iraq are the most significant. Regarding the chemical domain, we have evidence of its capacity to produce VX and Yperite. In the biological domain, the evidence suggests the possible possession of significant stocks of anthrax and botulism toxin, and possibly a production capability.
The German Ambassador to the United States, Wolfgang Ischinger, said on NBC’s “Today” on Feb¬ruary 26, 2003, “I think all of our governments believe that Iraq has produced weapons of mass destruction and that we have to assume that they still have—that they continue to have weapons of mass destruction.”
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In July 2004, the bipartisan Senate Intelligence Committee issued a report with the following conclusions:
Conclusion 83. The Committee did not find any evidence that Administration officials attempted to coerce, influence or pressure analysts to change their judgments related to Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction capabilities.…
Conclusion 84. The Committee found no evidence that the Vice President’s visits to the Central Intelligence Agency were attempts to pressure analysts, were perceived as intended to pressure analysts by those who participated in the briefings on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs, or did pressure analysts to change their assessments.
In March 2005, the bipartisan Robb–Silverman commission reached the same conclusion:
The Commission found no evidence of political pressure to influence the Intelligence Community’s pre-war assessments of Iraq’s weapons programs. As we discuss in detail in the body of our report, analysts universally asserted that in no instance did political pressure cause them to skew or alter any of their analytical judgments. We conclude that it was the paucity of intelligence and poor analytical tradecraft, rather than political pressure that produced the inaccurate pre-war intelligence assessments.
Dispelling Myths About Iraq
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Democrat quotes :
Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq

"Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that."

"People can quarrel with whether we should have more troops in Afghanistan or internationalize Iraq or whatever, but it is incontestable that on the day I left office, there were unaccounted for stocks of biological and chemical weapons."

Former President Clinton
During an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live"
July 22, 2003

Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
Iraq and Weapons of Mass Destruction
UK’s intelligence agency
BBC NEWS | UK | The UK's intelligence agencies
Iraqi Regime Strategy and WMD Timeline Events
https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/...ne_Events.html
Clinton administrations statements on Iraq’s WMD’s
Text Of Clinton Statement On Iraq - February 17, 1998
CNN.com - Bill Clinton on Bush uranium line: 'Everybody makes mistakes' - Jul. 23, 2003
"Iraq Liberation Act" introduced into Congress
Air Strike Against Iraq
Transcript: President Clinton explains Iraq strike - December 16, 1998
News from the USIA Washington File
CNN - U.S. policy on Iraq draws fire in Ohio - February 18, 1998
USATODAY.com - Text of Gore speech
Al Gore's speech on Iraq | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited
Iraq and the war on terrorism - smh.com.au
A NATION CHALLENGED: THE DEMOCRAT; Gore, Championing Bush, Calls For a 'Final Reckoning' With Iraq - New York Times
News from the USIA Washington File
Wide Angle . Saddam's Ultimate Solution | PBS
Hans Blix statements on Iraq’s Wmd’s
UN News Centre - News Focus
CNN.com - Transcript of Blix's remarks - Jan. 27, 2003
Dr. Khidhir Hamza, former Iraqi Nuclear Scientist for 20 years
CNN.com - Khidhir Hamza: Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi weapons program - October 22, 2001
Democrats on Saddam’s WMD’s and Terror
WavSource: September 11 Terrorism 2
YouTube - Hillary Clinton on Saddam's WMD, UN Impotence
YouTube - Hillary Clinton's views on going to war, Saddam, & WMD
YouTube - Hillary Clinton's views on going to war, Saddam & WMD -short
NOW with Bill Moyers. Transcript. Bill Moyers Talks with Joseph C. Wilson, IV. 2.28.03 | PBS
Press Release by Congresswoman Pelosi
The Democrats and Weapons of Mass Destruction -- Institute for Public Accuracy (IPA)
http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_092902.pdf
http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=20030331&s=lizza033103
CNN.com
http://kerry.senate.gov/high/record.cfm?id=191582
CNN.com - Transcripts
JS Online: Kerry criticizes Dean for comments about Hussein's capture
http://edwards.senate.gov/statements/20021010_iraq.html
http://www.vote-smart.org/debate_tra...ts/trans_1.pdf
www.senate.gov - This page cannot be found.
Floor Speech of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton on S.J. Res. 45, A Resolution to Authorize the Use of<br>United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
http://www.johnkerry.com/news/speech...2002_1009.html
http://edwards.senate.gov/statements/20020912_iraq.html
http://kerry.senate.gov/bandwidth/cf....cfm?id=189831
CBSNews.com: Print This Story
OpinionJournal - Featured Article
White House Mood Is bellicose: Senator Robert C. Byrd [October 3, 2002]
Cooperative Research: Error 404 Page not Found!
Statement of Senator Rockefeller on the Senate floor, October 10, 2002
http://edwards.senate.gov/statements/20020912_iraq.html
http://www.house.gov/ford/12_06_01a.htm
Quotes and Facts on Iraq
Freedom Agenda - Quotes and Facts on Iraq
Saddam’s Air Force General Sada
Saddam Sent WMD to Syria, Former General Alleges -- 02/02/2006

noneof yourbusiness · #14 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:02 PM

Britian and the US both lied and theres no reality to anybody else buying into this.

Smitty0311 · #15 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

Britian and the US both lied and theres no reality to anybody else buying into this.

LOL. There were far mor countries that agreed with us than that! If Saddam didnt have WMD's then why did he not cooperate with the inspectors? I think the evedence is overwhelming. I think we gave him too much time. Just like Democrats did with Hitler during WWII!

noneof yourbusiness · #16 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:06 PM

Wrong. Theres no realitty to that at all. Biying the vote of third world shit hole doesnt mean they agree.

Smitty0311 · #17 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

Wrong. Theres no realitty to that at all. Biying the vote of third world shit hole doesnt mean they agree.

Fact: Saddam did have weapons of mass destruction at one time.
Fact: Saddam didnt cooperate with the Weapons inspectors.
Fact: Sadams 2nd in command said that saddam loaded the weapons in commercial jets and flew them to Syria.
Fact: If Saddam just cooperated with the UN Inspectors we would have avoided war with Iraq all to gather.
Fact: Every Administration since the 1980's claimed that Saddam had WMD's

noneof yourbusiness · #18 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:16 PM

Revealed: US dirty tricks to win vote on Iraq war | Special reports | The Observer

StormanNorman · #19 (**permalink**) 11-05-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Smitty0311

LOL. There were far mor countries that agreed with us than that! If Saddam didnt have WMD's then why did he not cooperate with the inspectors? I think the evedence is overwhelming. I think we gave him too much time. Just like Democrats did with Hitler during WWII!

Huh???? Where in the hell did you get this from, Smitty? That's a little revisionist history...I think. Boy, you don't like those Democrats do you...