Freedom, hmm I guess we will always see some things differently.

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And what is that Rob?

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Oh, I don't know if it was two thirds . . . that might be a little high. But the war was about representation and those too poor to own property still didn't get that representation because they weren't allowed to vote.

Exactly my point Dom, the statistic points to a small subgroup of the population ie: those with the most to lose. And still, even among that privileged class, that had grown accustomed to operating in the corrupt system of lords and kings, and benefit from it, still fully one third of them choose to risk everything they had for a chance to be sovereign and free. And not only that, but to fight so that the commoners he held station over could receive the same freedom, or at least the opportunity to.

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They stood to gain a lot more and I think a few were losing money. Charles Beard wrote a book about an economic interpretation of the Constitution (which I realize came later) which outlined what a lot of these guys had to gain by independence and the new Constitution. A lot of the leaders had very much to gain economically from independence.

I do see what you are trying to say though.

Hi Okhan,

It was BOUND to happen, sooner or later. I have been on this site for 1 1/2 years and this is the first post that:

A) I agree with you.
B) I Didn't end my post with a "FUCK YOU."

With the exception of a few, on both sides of the isle, I really believe that most people here are on the same page. The rights of the American people have been chipped away for decades, and there is NO stop in sight.

It is like a ant eating a elephant. The elephant knows something is happening but doesn't worry about the first bite, or second, or third. Eventually there is no elephant, or Freedon, left.

I probably wont live long enough to see the end of our freedoms, and you may not either. However I DO feel it is the responsibility of those Americans here NOW to try to reverse the trend.

I live in a very upscale community. There are cameras on almost every traffic light in the city, or 60,000. They were put there for "traffic control." How much traffic do you think 60,000 people could create if they ALL drove around in circles? Not much.

The police here now can also tell, when you get pulled over, if you have a CCW permit BEFORE they approach your car. CCW's are tied in to the BMV computer.

Do you know of any older people, 70's, or 80's that say they they wish they were born today? I don't, and have been making it a point to ask them about how free they were 50, 60, 70 years ago.

I honestly don't know what the solution is, but like the AA people say "recognizing the problem is the first step."


Dizzy


p.s. Just for old time sake 'Fuck You!'

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Protesting for or against the war is ones' right as an American.Being on one side or the other doesn't make you better or more patriotic or less sincere than the other.

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Great point! can I have a link to that!

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One wonders what would happen if 3000 pro war supporters had a rally. I would think far more than 3 people would show up to protest the supporters. I think this shows, not that more disagree than agree but that the so called anti war crowd is far less willing to allow a difference of opinion. We on the right understand the right to protest exist. I don't think the left does

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I think that your wrong Nathan. I have been on this board long enough to know that isn't true. Not everyone of the right is guilty, but so many of the right use words like traitor, coward, un-American, THE ENEMY. This does not lead people to believe that the right "understand the right to protest exists".

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