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10-31-2007, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
the first thread was bad, the sequel, as expected, is worse....
Iraq was and is an immoral debacle.....you can play your partisan game with it...but that doesn't change the immorality of it...or the fact that this administration has made it a total cluster fuck....
FYI, I'm NOT a Democrat....
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2 pages of facts and charts all you have to say it is immorel debacle.... i tell ya you have a fantastic argument....... hey smitty it's time to wrap it up.... The facts and charts and your well put together arguments assembled from said chart and graphs have no grounds against an argument of.....
immorel debacle
how naive of you and anyone who thought the facts would tell the truth.....
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10-31-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Smitty0311
Talking points or facts? If they werent facts then you could disprove them. Thanks for your reply crow. It was exactly what I expected from you!
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We have already disproved them. I guess you wanted to separate our proof from your rants, so you could ask us ro RE-PROVE them.
You are a fucking idiot, with a few months of non-combat experience at best. I have never seen someone who understood LESS about people, human nature and politics. You are like a 12 year old girl that takes all the government propaganda at face value.
Oddly, you prefer to believe the Neo-con jews who have a vested interest in using our military and money to defend their terrorism of the Palestinian people.
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Of the 180,000 Marines, only 25,000 are in Iraq and none are in Afganistan. The other 155,000 are busy justifying their existance on internet forums.
It seems Bush has found you can do more to salvage his failed legacy by keeping you out of the fight.
I read the other day the Commandant wants those 25,000 Marines moved from Iraq to Afganistan, so there will be Zero Marines in Iraq.
BTW, I would be happy to let the Russians come in and liberate us from Bush.
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10-31-2007, 07:30 PM
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Smitty Quote: How easy we forget that it took 8 years to win the American Revolution and 11 years ratify our own constitution.
That is TOTAL BULLSHIT. It took less than 4 months to write and approve the US Constitution, and was ratified by the states in another 10 months.
Plus, quess what Smitty, now we have phones, computers and air travel.
Feb 21, 1787 Amid calls for a stronger central government, Congress endorses a resolution calling for a constitutional convention.
May 25, 1787 Convention creates an entire goverment separed into 3 branches, with checks and balances.
Sept 17, 1787 Congressional delegates approve and sign the final draft of the Constitution.
July 2, 1788 The Constitution goes into effect after states ratification.
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10-31-2007, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by toxic
We have already disproved them. I guess you wanted to separate our proof from your rants, so you could ask us ro RE-PROVE them.
You are a fucking idiot, with a few months of non-combat experience at best. I have never seen someone who understood LESS about people, human nature and politics. You are like a 12 year old girl that takes all the government propaganda at face value.
Oddly, you prefer to believe the Neo-con jews who have a vested interest in using our military and money to defend their terrorism of the Palestinian people.
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Of the 180,000 Marines, only 25,000 are in Iraq and none are in Afganistan. The other 155,000 are busy justifying their existance on internet forums.
It seems Bush has found you can do more to salvage his failed legacy by keeping you out of the fight.
I read the other day the Commandant wants those 25,000 Marines moved from Iraq to Afganistan, so there will be Zero Marines in Iraq.
BTW, I would be happy to let the Russians come in and liberate us from Bush.
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Alright where done here. Thanks Toxic. Move along people.
It's just a concise brought together into one folder train wreck...move along, move along.
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10-31-2007, 09:54 PM
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Alright where done here. Thanks Toxic. Move along people.
It's just a concise brought together into one folder train wreck...move along, move along.
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...The FORCE is strong with this one....
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11-01-2007, 08:54 AM
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Bush cant get the money to fight this war from the Democrats without the democrats waiting untill the last second and adding a bunch of non related Iteams. They throw a fit everytime the presedent asks for money for Iraq. Now your saying that he hasent put enough money in to the Iraqi Democracy? A Democracy thats GDP has doubled its pre war levells? Thats funny. Democrats complain that Bush wants too much money and at the same time they complain that he hasent requested enough for traditional democracy promotion in a bill that democrats dont want to fund? LOL! As I said before they are legeslating defeat! And you think you can debunk this based on an article written By Peter Baker Washington Post Staff Writer Wednesday, April 5, 2006??? In case you didnt know violence has gone down 80% since then, Democracy is working, and Al-Queida has been kicked out of the Anbar Provence! Im sorry to upset you!
Hijacking Democracy in Iraq
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The official results of the Jan. 30, 2005 elections are in. The Shi'a emerged as the big winners, grabbing 48 percent of the vote, followed by the Kurds who garnered 26 percent, and Prime Minister Iyad Allawi's coalition party netting a paltry 13 percent. Behind the scenes political infighting rages as the victorious political parties vie to get their candidates positioned in the new government. On the surface, this looks like the sometimes messy aftermath of democracy; squabbling, rhetoric, and posturing. The Iraqi elections have been embraced almost universally as a great victory for the forces of democracy, not only in Iraq, but throughout the entire Middle East. The fact, however, is that the Iraqi elections weren't about the free election of a government reflecting the will of the Iraqi people, but the carefully engineered selection of a government that would behave in a manner dictated by the United States. In Iraq, democracy was hijacked by the Americans.
Still no self determination going on.
You have been officially DEBUNKED.
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You know if America hijacked the elections why would we want the sunni's incharge? They are the last ones to not fully comply with destroying the insurgency. Ofcourse they are the majority. But there are over 300 political parties in Iraq! They have the most deverse goverment in the world and it improves on a daily basis.
And you try to discredit the fact that democracy is working from a link that doesent work? Well i played around with the web address and this is what I found! AlterNet: Special Coverage: War on Iraq . Nothing but liberal biass. I know this because main stream media doesent use the word Neo Con in its headlines! They also dont post advertisements that have an countdown untill bush leaves office. Below are a list of articles found on this bias site.
Where Have All the Protests Gone?
Ahmed Chalabi, Darling of the Neocons, Back in the Baghdad Mix
Ending the War: Time for the Dems to Play Hardball
Low Morale Has U.S. Troops in Iraq Pretending to Patrol
What We Can Do to End the War
Insanity Compounded by Insanity: Bush Offers to Bomb Iraqi Kurds
Neocons Embrace Islamic Terror Group
Bush's World War III 'Solution'
America's Armageddonites Push for More War
Building God's (Christian) Army
Do you have anything that is based on fact and not on the bias lies of liberal anti war extreamists? Or do you reguarly shamelessly post old and biassed articles that you ramdomly find on the internet that happen to support your arguement? Is credability an issue for you? Probalie not! Debunked? No that requires credebility! You cant get stright information from an anti war anti bush site? Your full of shit!
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11-01-2007, 09:00 AM
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The Saudi connection.
Fifteen of the hijackers were Saudi citizens. One was an Egyptian, one was from Lebanon, and two were from the United Arab Emirates. None were Iraqis. Much of the money funding Al Qaeda and other terrorists groups comes from rich families in Saudi Arabia who oppose their government's alliance with the United States. The Saudi government, while not supporting terrorism, espouses and spends money to export a conservative interpretation of Islam called Wahhabism. The Saudi government supports ultra-conservative Islamic groups around the globe who help to foster anti-American and anti-western attitudes in the Muslim world. Saudi support for extremist groups and ideas is a serious problem for America and a major cause of terrorism's spread.
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history 101...it was in all the papers...
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11-01-2007, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by gixaholic
2 pages of facts and charts all you have to say it is immorel debacle.... i tell ya you have a fantastic argument....... hey smitty it's time to wrap it up.... The facts and charts and your well put together arguments assembled from said chart and graphs have no grounds against an argument of.....
immorel debacle
how naive of you and anyone who thought the facts would tell the truth.....
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The immorality comes from the fact Bush isn't fighting against terrorism..he's depleting the national treasury....the terrorists are backed by his good friends the Saudi...and they get weapons to keep up the fight so Bush, Cheney, Rice and their 1% wealthy friends can all get your tax dollars and drain our economy and make themselves trillionaires while you and your children, children's, children's children pay for it.
WAKE UP!!!! You're being sucker punched, boy!!!
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11-01-2007, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
This is nonesence comong from you. Its illegal whomever voted for it. This is nothing but Rush Limbaugh rhetoric. Your fanatic bullshit isnt a military position. Its a fucking fanatic Right wing one.
This is the same person as Gix..IMO
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More liberal accusations. No proof. Why did you even waste your time? Its like me saying "the sky is blue" and you saying "no it isnt". Ok fine NOYB. Prove it!
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11-01-2007, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Upton
The Rape of Iraq
By DIANE CHRISTIAN
'Iraqi Freedom' was not a righteous war but a preemptive attack rationalized on faulty ideas, imaginations, and greed. Better to think of it as rape.
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Did you read this thread? NO? Here. Let me help you. Post #1 here>> Myth: Iraq is an illegal war The Truth About Iraq II
I also noticed that you didnt post a like. thats ok. I found it. Here> Diane Christian: The Rape of Iraq . Can you honestly tell me that there is no biass here? How can you justify statements by anti war/anti bush extream liberals? Mabey because you cant argue the facts yourself?
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