10)Myth: The violence in Iraq has not gone down

During the past two months the violence in Iraq has gone down considerably. It’s just that the main stream news media doesn’t report it. It’s funny to hear the senate majority leader saying that the war is lost a few months before Al-Qaeda is rejected from the Anbar Provence and the violence in Iraq drops 70-80%. The news of this reduction in violence is encouraging and it proves that we are making a difference in Iraq. Now democrats need to find something else to complain about like political reconciliation or Turkey’s actions in WWII. I can’t wait until this conflict is over and history shows that those who doubted the U.S. military’s capability to bring freedom to an oppressed people will be proven wrong once and for all!

Violence reduced in Baghdad Multi-National Force - Iraq - Violence reduced in Baghdad
Sharp drop seen in US deaths in Iraq
Sharp drop seen in US deaths in Iraq - Yahoo! News
Violent deaths in Iraq down in August
Violent deaths in Iraq down in August
Violence down in September
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071001...l_071001122629
Reversal of Fortune? US and Civilian Deaths in Iraq Down for 2nd Month
ABC News: Reversal of Fortune? US and Civilian Deaths in Iraq Down for 2nd Month
Deaths in Iraq down in October
Deaths in Iraq down in October
Violence in Iraq down 70%
Hot Air » Blog Archive » Violence in Iraq down 70%
Non-combat deaths in Iraq drop
Non-combat deaths in Iraq drop - USATODAY.com

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11A)Myth: Media bias and negative/untrue reporting has no effect on the moral and lives of our troops.
Of course it does! We have an enemy that killed hundreds of people just because someone drew a cartoon of Muhammad. Can you imagine what they would do if they hear some American saying that we are in this war for oil? Can you imagine how the enemy responds when hard core leftist are saying that we are murdering innocent Muslims for the fun of it? How motivated are our enemies when Harry Reid says “the war is lost”?

Our enemy knows that he can’t beat America face to face so he tries to play on the American media/political system. The worse they can make Iraq look, the less popular the conflict will be, and the more of a chance that our forces will withdraw from Iraq. It’s that simple. It’s no coincidence that the casualty rate in Iraq reached an all time high “for that time” during the November midterm elections. How about the massive number of car bombs that slammed in to Abu Graib Prison after the American media had a huge overreaction? The enemy will go wherever he can to get in to our media spotlight because they know that the only way to win this war is to draw American support away from it. In short, negative and bias media reporting acts as an after action report card for our enemies.

It’s a huge problem to hear an American speak of untrue or negative reports about Iraq because it gives our enemies legitimacy. To our enemies anything negative that is seen in the American media is either truth or proof that their strategy is working. In turn they use it as a recruiting/motivational tool. They say to their buddies “hey Americans are trying to torture innocent Muslims, steal Iraqi Oil, and massacre our people”. Why not? They see it in our news. It must be true! You have Senators calling our troops cold blooded killers, you have far leftists saying that Bush wants to murder the Islamic world, and you have Democrats saying that the war is unwinable. Why wouldn’t this information and propaganda help our enemies? What is it that our enemies and far leftist organizations have in common? They both want us out of Iraq!

Lt General Sanchez: "The basic ethics of a journalist, as laid out here, of seeking truth, fair and comprehensive accounting of events and issues, thoroughness and honesty, all are sometime victims of the massive agenda driven competition for economic or political supremacy. The death knell of your ethics has been enabled by some parent organizations who have chosen to align themselves with political agendas. What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war, in some cases."
Ex-General: Iraq Is An Unending Nightmare, Retired Lt. General Sanchez Says Iraq Mission Has "No End In Sight" Due To Political Failings - CBS News

Islamic extremist murder people over a cartoon.
CBC News Indepth: Islam
Islamic extremist murder people over a cartoon.
Compass Direct News : NIGERIA - TEN CHRISTIANS KILLED IN MUSLIM RAMPAGE IN KANO STATE
Islamic extremist murder people over a cartoon.
Again! 10 Christians slaughtered over alleged Muhammad cartoon (Religion of Peace Alert)
The list: Journalists who wrote political checks
List of journalists taking sides - Politics - MSNBC.com
MoveOn.org Gets Discount Rate for ‘Betray Us’ Advocacy Ad
MoveOn.org Gets Discount Rate for ‘Betray Us’ Advocacy Ad | NewsBusters.org
Betray Us' Ad Cited NYT's Own Reporting Wrongly
NYT-MoveOn.org's 'Petraeus -- Betray Us' Ad Cited NYT's Own Reporting Wrongly | NewsBusters.org
New York Times ignores Medal of Honor recipient from New York
New Yorker Wins Medal of Honor, NYT Ignores | NewsBusters.org
General Sanchez
Ex-General: Iraq Is An Unending Nightmare, Retired Lt. General Sanchez Says Iraq Mission Has "No End In Sight" Due To Political Failings - CBS News
New York Times Busted in Hezbollah Photo Fraud!
Gateway Pundit: The <em>NY Times</em> Hezbollah Photo Dust Up
Unfit to print. New York Times Ignores Medal of honor Recipient.
UNFIT TO PRINT?
Sanchez blasts media but the media only reports criticism of President Bush
Sanchez Blasts Media, But Media Only Highlight His Criticism of Bush | NewsBusters.org
Troops complain about the bias media
Troops in Iraq Express Frustration with the Media to FNC's Sean Hannity | NewsBusters.org

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11B) Below is what the media and congressmen can do to actually help advocate victory in Iraq.

1) Give military and contractor personnel the benefit of the doubt until proven guilty if they allegedly commit a crime! I know its great to use the actions of a few troops allegedly killing someone as an excuse to get out of Iraq and embolden our enemies but our troops deserve the benefit of the doubt. Murtha is learning this the hard way!

2) Exploit improvements and Victories in Iraq by actually reporting them in the Media! "My god what an outrageous idea!!" The media should never stop reporting good news in an effort to make Iraq look overwhelmingly bad!

3) Actually report our heroes who earn the Medal of Honor as opposed to primetime MSNBC or CNN and exploit them as American heroes. I know reporting heroes draws attention to the good people fighting this war but I guess it’s a risk the liberal media should haft to take!

4) Condemn those who hate our military! Any liberal that spits on our troops, calls them baby killers, or calls them liars in the NY Times should be condemned!

5) Never report anything that you cant prove just because you want a political advantage. For example: “The war is all about oil", " President Bush is Torturing people", " President Bush is sending our troops to war so they can die for his own personal satisfaction", " We are bombing innocent civilians", "Our enemies are just defending against our murdering invading forces", "We went to war to make Halliburton money", "The war is lost", " The Marines were cold blooded killers", etc etc etc.....

6) Back up our Generals in Theater and don’t report skepticism for your own political gain when you don’t like what he says. I know our generals are reporting good news and that hurts the democrats but they are the experts! Just because a politician spent 2 days in the "green zone" it doesn’t make him the expert on Iraq!

7) Once you commit your troops to war don’t immediately try to remove them because things aren’t going as well as planned. I don’t know any war that has gone as well as planned. All your bitching does is helps our enemies.

8) Never ever under any circumstance do you consider the war "lost" while our troops are in the middle of fighting it without haven been defeated once!

9) Never defend your enemy by blaming their hatred on the US on the ones trying to bring the Iraqis Freedom! You can’t blame the actions of a ruthless enemy on our troop’s presence in Iraq!

10) Never tolerate anyone who decapitates innocent men women and children to instill terror in the population!

11) Never say anything that our enemies will use to break the will of our troops in POW camps. This one for you John Kerry!

12) When interviewing someone in the news make sure to tell the other side of the story! This is why Fox News always has a liberal and a conservative on their shows. Keith Olberman hardly ever invites a republican to tell the other side of the story!

13) Don’t legislate a withdraw unless your damn sure that Iraq can sustain itself!

14) Never forget that our enemies want us out of Iraq more than the liberals do! Let’s not give them what they want until we can be sure they can’t take advantage of our absence!

15) Never use the Iraq War supplemental bill that the country needs to fund our troops as a chance to pass bullshit pork legislation! This is another reason why our troops hate democrats! They’re fucking with the money that we need to stay alive in an effort to skip the legislative process for pet projects!

16) Never tell the troops they are losing and then turn around and claim that you’re supporting them!

17) Always remember that for every one soldier that is against the war there are a thousand that are not! Don’t showboat the few that hate Bush and try to claim it as mainstream!

18) Never pull out of a country now when you know it will come back to bite you in the ass later!

19) Nothing good can come from exaggerating and over politicizing bad news. Nothing bad can come from politicizing good news!

20) Once you commit your troops to war you should back the mission you sent them there for! Nothing good comes form leaving a country in the hands of Islamic extremists. Unless you hate the Iraqi people and want to fail in the war on terror.

21) Politicizing withdraw by saying that our presence in the Middle East only breeds more terrorists is a distraction! Of course it does! But leaving them alone won’t make them go away and withdrawing from Iraq will only make them more popular/stronger.

Islamic extremist murder people over a cartoon.
CBC News Indepth: Islam
Islamic extremist murder people over a cartoon.
Compass Direct News : NIGERIA - TEN CHRISTIANS KILLED IN MUSLIM RAMPAGE IN KANO STATE
Islamic extremist murder people over a cartoon.
Again! 10 Christians slaughtered over alleged Muhammad cartoon (Religion of Peace Alert)
The list: Journalists who wrote political checks
List of journalists taking sides - Politics - MSNBC.com
MoveOn.org Gets Discount Rate for ‘Betray Us’ Advocacy Ad
MoveOn.org Gets Discount Rate for ‘Betray Us’ Advocacy Ad | NewsBusters.org
Betray Us' Ad Cited NYT's Own Reporting Wrongly
NYT-MoveOn.org's 'Petraeus -- Betray Us' Ad Cited NYT's Own Reporting Wrongly | NewsBusters.org
New York Times ignores Medal of Honor recipient from New York
New Yorker Wins Medal of Honor, NYT Ignores | NewsBusters.org
General Sanchez
Ex-General: Iraq Is An Unending Nightmare, Retired Lt. General Sanchez Says Iraq Mission Has "No End In Sight" Due To Political Failings - CBS News
New York Times Busted in Hezbollah Photo Fraud!
Gateway Pundit: The <em>NY Times</em> Hezbollah Photo Dust Up
Unfit to print. New York Times Ignores Medal of honor Recipient.
UNFIT TO PRINT?
Sanchez blasts media but the media only reports criticism of President Bush
Sanchez Blasts Media, But Media Only Highlight His Criticism of Bush | NewsBusters.org
Troops complain about the bias media
Troops in Iraq Express Frustration with the Media to FNC's Sean Hannity | NewsBusters.org

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12)Myth: Its President Bush’s fault that the military had little armor before the invasion.

If you look back through history you will hear Democrats complain about the amount of body armor and lack of up armored Humvee’s. Hillary said “The lack of body armor is unforgivable”. After fighting for an investigation she was finally granted one from The Senate Armed Service Committee chairman John Warner. However once the meeting has started she was no where to be found. Why? We’ll back when her husband Bill Clinton was president there was absolutely no body armor for the troops. None. Zero! Thanks to President Bush there are now over 1,000,000 sets. Under the Clinton administration the number of armored Humvees available to the military was 1,300. Under President Bush it’s over 26,000. Democrats also turned down the Pentagons request for $4.75 billion for the mine resistant, ambush-protected vehicles that safeguard our troops from IED explosions. While the democrats couldn’t find 124 billion for our troops they instead found other things to spend billions on, like subsidies for the spinach farmers or the shrimp industry.

It’s instructive to look at what happened to the 1st Cavalry Division under Bill Clinton and what its strength is today under George Bush.

In 2000, the division had three brigades, – M1A2 (base-design Abrams tanks, Bradley A2 (base-design tanks), the situational awareness of the battlefield was provided solely by soldiers on the ground calling in spot reports, communications were by line-of-sight radio, there was no armor protection for Humvees, there was no connectivity between services, and the brigades had a mere 1,600 radios.

In 2006, however, the division had four brigades with more maneuver-capable companies. They had the M1A2 System Enhancement Package including improved armor, independent thermal sights, and embedded digital command systems. Their Bradley A3 tanks had improved armor, and embedded digital command systems. Battlefield situational awareness was enhanced by unmanned aerial reconnaissance vehicles (UAVs) integrated by Army Battle Command Systems (Network Centric Warfare). Communications were by a digital command-and-control network, including satellites. All Tactical Wheeled Vehicles off the forward operating bases were to be armored and radios in a Brigade numbered 2,500.

Today the democrats have also refused to get the Iraq war supplemental bill to the President. I’m sure they will wait until the last minute and stuff it full of pork, in an effort to get pet projects passed without opposition.


Hillary ditches body armor meeting.
Hillary Clinton AWOL from Body Armor Hearing
Clinton Administration and body armor
Michael Reagan Show - politics, news, Ronald Reagan, Iraq
President request Iraq supplemental bill 78 days ago
President Bush Discusses Iraq War Supplemental
President Bush Discusses the Iraq War Supplemental

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For those of you that think that Democrats don’t have an extream opposition to our military.

Murtha Calls innocent troops Murderers

LiveLeak.com - Murtha on Supporting the Troops
LiveLeak.com - Murtha is a coward

CHRIS MATTHEWS, HOST: Let me ask you Mr. Murtha to give us some details about that. Draw us a picture of what happened at Haditha.

REP. JOHN “JACK” MURTHA: Well, I’ll tell you exactly what happened. One Marine was killed and the Marines just said we’re going to take care – we don’t know who the enemy is, the pressure was too much on them, so they went into houses and they actually killed civilians. And, and –

MATTHEWS:—was this My Lai? Was this a case of – when you say cold blood Congressman, a lot of people think you’re basically saying you got some civilians sitting in a room around a field and they’re executed.

MURTHA: That’s exactly it.
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Durbin accuses our troops of running a Nazi death camp.
You Call That an Apology?

Senator Durbin (D) "If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime - Pol Pot or others - that had no concern for human beings."
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Obama Said American Troops are just air rading villages and killling civilians.

Video: Obama Says We’re “Just Air-Raiding Villages and Killing Civilians” In Afghanistan : Ian Schwartz

Obama: "We've got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we're not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there." (Philip Elliott, "Obama Gets Warning From Friendly Voter," The Associated Press, 8/14/07)
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John Kerry calls our troops stupid:

Hot Air » Blog Archive » Audio: John Kerry on America’s lazy, uneducated military; Update: McCain demands apology
Kerry apologizes to troops - Politics - MSNBC.com

John Kerry: “You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study :hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.”
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John Kerry calls our troops terrorists

Kerry: 'U.S. soldiers terrorize kids' (JFK Wannabe/Sore Loser Alert)

John Kerry: "And there is no reason, Bob, that young American soldiers need to be going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night, terrorizing kids and children, you know, women, breaking sort of the customs of the – of – the historical customs, religious customs," Kerry said Sunday. "Whether you like it or not ... Iraqis should be doing that."
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Harry Reid says the war is lost while our troops are fighting it.

Harry Reid Tells Bush: War is ‘Lost’ - CommonDreams.org

Harry Reid: ‘‘I believe myself that the secretary of state, secretary of defense, and - you have to make your own decisions as to what the president knows - [know] this war is lost and the surge is not accomplishing anything as indicated by the extreme violence in Iraq yesterday,”
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Those who voted not to condemn the Petraeus add. Its funny that these same liberals who voted NOT to condemn moveon are the same liberals that sighned a letter to censure Rush Linbaugh. Liberal Hypocracy at its finest!
U.S. Senate: Legislation & Records Home > Votes > Roll Call Vote

Akaka (D-HI)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Clinton (D-NY)
Dodd (D-CT)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

Those who didn’t vote
Biden (D-DE)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
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Hillary Clinton calls Gen Petraeus a liar

Clinton: Petraeus Testimony Requires "Willing Suspension Of Disbelief" - The Huffington Post

Hillary Clinton: "You have been made the de facto spokesmen for what many of us believe to be a failed policy" in Iraq, Clinton said. "Despite what I view is your rather extraordinary efforts in your testimony both yesterday and today, I think that the reports that you provide to us really require a willing suspension of disbelief."
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The New York Times Ignores medal of honer recipiant

http://www.nypost.com/seven/1013200/..._to_print_.htm

UNFIT TO PRINT?
October 13, 2007 -- Every major daily paper in New York took note of President Bush's decision to bestow the first Medal of Honor of Operation Enduring Freedom on Navy SEAL Lt. Michael Murphy - a Long Islander who gave his life for his country and his fellow SEALs.
Every paper but one, that is.
And it shouldn't be particularly hard to guess which one.
By now, most folks know exactly how much The New York Times despises the U.S. military.
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Liberal City San Francisco Denies the Marines permission to film a recruiting commercial. "Thats Nanci Peloci Land"

abc7news.com: Marines Denied Permission To Film Commercial
Controversy over film shoot featuring Marines in San Francisco - On Deadline - USATODAY.com

Controversy over film shoot featuring Marines in San Francisco

City officials barred members of the U.S. Marine Corps Silent Drill Platoon from shooting a recruiting advertisement in San Francisco, according to KGO-TV.
A police official tells the station that Stefanie Coyote, the head of the San Francisco Film Commission, would only give the camera crew permission to film a city street if they didn't have any military personnel in the shot....
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Liberals and Socialists kick Rotc out of colleges.

The Tech - Harvard faculty condemns ROTC
The ROTC Is Not Invited At Harvard (Forum)
Columbia University - ROTC
At Columbia, First ROTC Event Since '72 - May 17, 2006 - The New York Sun
Columbia ROTC Coverage
US: Military Recruiters Out of Our Schools!

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I see you collected all your copy paste talking points & put it in one thread.
That's good. Keeps it organized.

Maybe if we're lucky we could get 5 more pages of you Bloviating about it.

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Talking points or facts? If they werent facts then you could disprove them. Thanks for your reply crow. It was exactly what I expected from you!

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Your welcome.

Eventually I will go....through them but right now I am working so I only have time to harass you.

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the first thread was bad, the sequel, as expected, is worse....

Iraq was and is an immoral debacle.....you can play your partisan game with it...but that doesn't change the immorality of it...or the fact that this administration has made it a total cluster fuck....

FYI, I'm NOT a Democrat....

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