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10-18-2007, 01:11 PM
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Lets see, first you tell Argyle to return to the Huffington Post, Media Matters, or MoveOn. Then you tell me to consider Cuba or Venezuela, and you accuse me of "simplicity"? Now, that really is staggering. As for the editorial, to me, the crux was a question of the country coming together for future wars, the words of Sanchez were just a preamble. I'm saying, the foolish venture into Iraq has poisoned the well for years to come. The faulty premise of WMD is not just opinion, it's fact, as is the preemptive strike. Are you so caught up in Murdoch world that you still don't know the difference?
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I did say all of thiose things and I'm glad you comprehended them. The fact that you have an inherent hatred for Murdoch but have never given a legit reason why (except for the fact he's a conservative) is astounding. You being an American, should appreciate his success the same way you probably appreciate the success of Ted Turner. If it were up to you, you would have Murdoch silenced. So, I said if your going to do that then you might as well live in a country where the government monitors the press. So, in that vein, you are indeed simple. Sorry if reality has taken a bite out of your day.
As far as Argyle, his paranoia is laughable and typical of people who don't know how hold their own in debates so they just go from one insane idea to another. I remember when I used to post on another blog of a legendary band with a decidedly 'left' political bent, i was accused of the same thing except only that time I was a member of the Republican "Christian" party. It wasn't even the Republican party or the Conservative party. Despite the fact I don't belong to a political pary and I'm not Christian didn't seem to move them, however. People like that are stupid and followers. If you don't like that type of language, then that's tough. That's how I view it and that's the way it is.
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10-18-2007, 01:22 PM
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I did say all of thiose things and I'm glad you comprehended them. The fact that you have an inherent hatred for Murdoch but have never given a legit reason why (except for the fact he's a conservative) is astounding. You being an American, should appreciate his success the same way you probably appreciate the success of Ted Turner. If it were up to you, you would have Murdoch silenced. So, I said if your going to do that then you might as well live in a country where the government monitors the press. So, in that vein, you are indeed simple. Sorry if reality has taken a bite out of your day.
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You're right, I have an extreme dislike for Murdoch. He has been a citizen of this country for only some twenty years, yet he continually tries to hijack the American political process through his blatantly right wing News Corp. operations. I don't want him silenced, but I would like blind followers, such as yourself, to question his motives and not take everything spewed out from his media outlets at face value. Which, despite your protestations to the contrary, you appear to do.
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10-18-2007, 02:37 PM
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You're right, I have an extreme dislike for Murdoch. He has been a citizen of this country for only some twenty years, yet he continually tries to hijack the American political process through his blatantly right wing News Corp. operations. I don't want him silenced, but I would like blind followers, such as yourself, to question his motives and not take everything spewed out from his media outlets at face value. Which, despite your protestations to the contrary, you appear to do.
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We've agreed that he has no criminal history and appeards to go by the books in his acquisitions. Why should I question his motives? He's a businessman the same as Trump or gates or Oprah or anyone else. Until he does something criminally wrong or says something so outrageous that it bears discussion then it's really you who get to get over themselves. This is America and it is a capitalistic driven society.
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10-18-2007, 04:02 PM
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We've agreed that he has no criminal history and appeards to go by the books in his acquisitions. Why should I question his motives? He's a businessman the same as Trump or gates or Oprah or anyone else. Until he does something criminally wrong or says something so outrageous that it bears discussion then it's really you who get to get over themselves. This is America and it is a capitalistic driven society.
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steve, envy is hell for some. I know very little about Murdock but the fact that he has conservative views makes him good in my book.
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10-18-2007, 04:08 PM
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You're right, I have an extreme dislike for Murdoch. He has been a citizen of this country for only some twenty years, yet he continually tries to hijack the American political process through his blatantly right wing News Corp. operations. I don't want him silenced, but I would like blind followers, such as yourself, to question his motives and not take everything spewed out from his media outlets at face value. Which, despite your protestations to the contrary, you appear to do.
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10-18-2007, 04:09 PM
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Murdocks not conservative.
Their is a difference between self serving and conservative you know
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10-18-2007, 08:08 PM
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Why should I question his motives? He's a businessman the same as Trump or gates or Oprah or anyone else.
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He's just a "businessman"? You equate him with Bill Gates or Oprah? I do believe that's the most ignorant thing I've seen you post yet. Surely you know of his wide spread attempts to alter political discourse and to influence the thought patterns of the US electorate. I quote from Wikipedia, "In the US he has been a long-time supporter of the Republican Party. Murdoch's papers strongly supported George W. Bush in both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections. Murdoch's publications worldwide tend to adopt conservative views. During the buildup to the 2003 invasion of Iraq, all 175 Murdoch owned newspapers worldwide editorialized in favor of the war". To repeat, that's all 175 papers editorializing in favor of attacking Iraq, that's not to mention Fox News. No independence shown by any of the Murdoch owned outlets, do you think that's just coincidence? Murdoch has and is influencing political opinion and, in doing that, is affecting government policy both foreign and domestic. All this from a man who wasn't even born on our shores. Surely, you're not as dense about this issue as you appear.
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