The Liberal Outlook On Iraq

FedUpAmerican · #31 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 12:44 PM

I agree peach but it is the soldiers that VOLUNTARILLY enlisted to support bush's war. I don't blame the citizens that voted as much as I blame the ones who did NOT.

Mike · #32 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 01:22 PM

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Actually YES I DO. Piss on them too if the opportunity arises.

They knew what they were getting into (an ILLEGAL OCCUPATION of a once soverign nation ALL based on the lies of a traitorous American president) and I don't believe that MY future tax dollars AND what will be my childrens and grandchildrens tax dollars should re-pay China and the other nations bushie is borrowing money from to fund it.

BinLaden said that he wanted to bankrupt America and, with the help of bush, thats EXACTLY what is happening.

The young men and women who go into the service of their country are not the ones who decide on the mission or policies. We have a military that is under civilian control in this country. The politicians make the decisions and the brass implement policy. The soldiers don't "know what they are getting in to" - to the contrary, they commit themselves to serving their country regardless of what that may get them in to. We need to respect and honor that commitment and their sacrifices.

We now have the tragic situation of soldiers being placed in great danger, facing ambiguous situations and moral dilemmas with poor leadership and unclear goals. Blaming them for things they have no control over is the height of moral cowardice and depravity.

Badmutha · #33 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 01:23 PM

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sadmutha, Stop being such a diva.

You can HARDLY compare an Iraqi vet to ANY other vet that has "given me the great country I live in."

And it is the Iraqi vet that I was referring to.

Nice TRY to spin a topic though. Hope to hear from you this afternoon coward.

Look Fed--I wish you would read your mail for one. And second--I cant get streaming audio with my connection (Yes it sucks--just like your long distance phone #) --and Im assuming I need intenet radio to listen to your little liberal circle jerk blog show--so Im not going to be able to listen. If you have a solution or just want me to call up and lecture--send me a message--and lets start curing some liberals.

Mike · #34 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by FedUpAmerican

I agree peach but it is the soldiers that VOLUNTARILLY enlisted to support bush's war. I don't blame the citizens that voted as much as I blame the ones who did NOT.

People don't sign up to support a politican or policy. It is not up to the military, let alone the enlistees, to decide what the country's policy should be, and that is a good thing.

Everyone in the country cooperates and complies and contributes to the national policy in hundreds of ways and we are all responsible. The difference is that some of us can sit comfortably at home without anyone shooting at us or risking our lives or turning every moment and detail of our lives over to military authority. To sit back and blame those who are in harm's way for political decisions that we don't agree with and then deny our own responsibility and complicity is foolish and naive at best.

I strongly disagree with the foreign policy of the current administration, but I find this call for attacking and dishonoring the men and women in service disgusting beyond measure.

Mike · #35 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 01:41 PM

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Fed--and the rest of the lunatic left--you can disagree with the premises of war--its fine--you can still be a patriotic American.

Please don't associate the word "lunatic" with the word "Left." You are doing the same thing you are complaining about when you engage in that sort of sloppy and hostile talk. "Anti-war" has nothing to do wioth "Left." There are lunatics of all political persuasions.

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But when you talk of spitting on or pissing on our soilders--you have gone well beyond the limits of patriotism--and you comrade-are the traitor.

Well, I would guess that you would be just as hostile to anyone who disagreed with you - all part of the "lunatic Left" in your mind - regardless of how they expressed their opposition to you. Nevertheless it is disgusting and unforgivable for people to call for disrespecting the men and women in service, and as you say it is just like spitting in every soildier that came before them.

But traitors? No. That is just inflammatory language and no good can come from that.

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For it is the bravery of our finest--that has given you the great country you live in--and its the sacrifice given by these fine men that give your defeatist Un-Patriotic Un-American ass the freedoms you exploit without regards to the price that was paid--for the price of freedom is never free.

That is right, but that means that no matter how disgusting or ugly a civilian may be, the commitment to defending their ass doesn't change. Otherwise, we run the risk of dishonoring the service in our misguided defense of it. Fedup is free to express his opinions without being called a traitor. If we don't want soldiers blamed for the mistakes of the brass and the politicans, then we must also refrain from identifying the serviice with a particualr policy or administration or political movement. The military does not belong to any particular political group, and the public is not obliged to support any particular political movement because that is supposedly "supporting the troops."

It is unpatriotic to dishonor the service and sacrifices of the men and women in uniform. But it is also unpatriotic to use the military to promote or defend some political ideology or philosophy, and turn the military into a political football.

wvpeach · #36 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 01:47 PM

Fed up american

Most of the young soldiers I know went into the military hoping to get college money. Pure and simple that is why they joined. they came from poor homes or middle class homes and college was going to put a strain on family finances . So they joined the military. Now the country had not been in a real war for many years , and most felt they would not see war. Now they find themselves in the position of being asked to kill and fearing for their own lives.

Mikes post here is a good one. I agree with it all except for the part about people being depraved . Unfortunately in human nature you will find extremes on each side. I do know some anti war activists who hate all soldiers. they are wrong, just as the Pro War side is wrong.

Human beings make mistakes and the economics this country follows finds many young people with no choice but to join the military . Till now many are finding it is not worth their lives or the lives of the innocent killed to get a college education.

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Originally Posted by Mike

The young men and women who go into the service of their country are not the ones who decide on the mission or policies. We have a military that is under civilian control in this country. The politicians make the decisions and the brass implement policy. The soldiers don't "know what they are getting in to" - to the contrary, they commit themselves to serving their country regardless of what that may get them in to. We need to respect and honor that commitment and their sacrifices.

We now have the tragic situation of soldiers being placed in great danger, facing ambiguous situations and moral dilemmas with poor leadership and unclear goals. Blaming them for things they have no control over is the height of moral cowardice and depravity.

wvpeach · #37 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 01:53 PM

Wow I am impressed ! Really good post badmutha ! This post shows a very analytical intelligent mind. Good for you.

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Originally Posted by Mike

Please don't associate the word "lunatic" with the word "Left." You are doing the same thing you are complaining about when you engage in that sort of sloppy and hostile talk. "Anti-war" has nothing to do wioth "Left." There are lunatics of all political persuasions.

Well, I would guess that you would be just as hostile to anyone who disagreed with you - all part of the "lunatic Left" in your mind - regardless of how they expressed their opposition to you. Nevertheless it is disgusting and unforgivable for people to call for disrespecting the men and women in service, and as you say it is just like spitting in every soildier that came before them.

But traitors? No. That is just inflammatory language and no good can come from that.

That is right, but that means that no matter how disgusting or ugly a civilian may be, the commitment to defending their ass doesn't change. Otherwise, we run the risk of dishonoring the service in our misguided defense of it. Fedup is free to express his opinions without being called a traitor. If we don't want soldiers blamed for the mistakes of the brass and the politicans, then we must also refrain from identifying the serviice with a particualr policy or administration or political movement. The military does not belong to any particular political group, and the public is not obliged to support any particular political movement because that is supposedly "supporting the troops."

It is unpatriotic to dishonor the service and sacrifices of the men and women in uniform. But it is also unpatriotic to use the military to promote or defend some political ideology or philosophy, and turn the military into a political football.

Oh by the way smitty and dizzy , I notice you two brainwashed loud mouths have not watched the video I gave you of a soldier cussing at muslims for their religious faith yet. Come on cowards , you'll like it . It sounds a lot like what i have heard the two of you say.

ONEWHITEDUCK · #38 (**permalink**) 10-14-2007, 02:09 PM

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Wow I am impressed ! Really good post badmutha ! This post shows a very analytical intelligent mind. Good for you.

Oh by the way smitty and dizzy , I notice you two brainwashed loud mouths have not watched the video I gave you of a soldier cussing at muslims for their religious faith yet. Come on cowards , you'll like it . It sounds a lot like what i have heard the two of you say.

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