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Old 09-21-2007, 07:26 PM
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Arrow The Iraq War was largely about oil.

Greenspan, Kissinger: Oil Drives U.S. in Iraq, Iran

Posted September 17, 2007 | 12:09 AM (EST)


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Alan Greenspan had acknowledged what is blindingly obvious to those who live in the reality-based world: the Iraq War was largely about oil.

Meanwhile, Henry Kissinger says in an op-ed in Sunday's Washington Post that control over oil is the key issue that should determine whether the U.S. undertakes military action against Iran.
These statements would not be remarkable, but for the effort of a broad swath of the U.S. political establishment to deny the central role of oil in U.S. involvement in the Middle East.
Greenspan's remarks, appearing first in his just-published memoirs, are eyebrow-raising for their directness:
"Whatever their publicized angst over Saddam Hussein's 'weapons of mass destruction,' American and British authorities were also concerned about violence in the area that harbors a resource indispensable for the functioning of the world economy. I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil."
His follow-up remarks have been even more direct. "I thought the issue of weapons of mass destruction as the excuse was utterly beside the point," he told the Guardian.
Greenspan also tells the Washington Post's Bob Woodward that he actively lobbied the White House to remove Saddam Hussein for the express purpose of protecting Western control over global oil supplies.
"I'm saying taking Saddam out was essential," Greenspan said. But, writes Woodward, Greenspan "added that he was not implying that the war was an oil grab."
"No, no, no," he said. Getting rid of Hussein achieved the purpose of "making certain that the existing system [of oil markets] continues to work, frankly, until we find other [energy supplies], which ultimately we will."
There's every reason to credit this view. U.S. oil companies surely have designs on Iraqi oil, and were concerned about inroads by French and other firms under Saddam. But the top U.S. geopolitical concern is making sure the oil remains in the hands of those who will cooperate with Western economies.
Henry Kissinger echoes this view in his op-ed. "Iran has legitimate aspirations that need to be respected," he writes -- but those legitimate aspirations do not include control over the oil that the United States and other industrial countries need.
"An Iran that practices subversion and seeks regional hegemony -- which appears to be the current trend -- must be faced with lines it will not be permitted to cross. The industrial nations cannot accept radical forces dominating a region on which their economies depend, and the acquisition of nuclear weapons by Iran is incompatible with international security."
Note that Kissinger prioritizes Iranian (or "radical") control over regional oil supplies over concern about the country acquiring nuclear weapons.
One might reasonably suggest that Greenspan and Kissinger are only pointing out the obvious. (Kissinger himself refers to his concerns about Iran as "truisms.")
But these claims have not been accepted as obvious in U.S. political life.
The Iraq was "is not about oil" became a mantra among the pro-war crowd in the run-up to the commencement of hostilities and in the following months. A small sampling --
Said President Bush: The idea that the United States covets Iraqi oil fields is a "wrong impression." "I have a deep desire for peace. That's what I have a desire for. And freedom for the Iraqi people. See, I don't like a system where people are repressed through torture and murder in order to keep a dictator in place. It troubles me deeply. And so the Iraqi people must hear this loud and clear, that this country never has any intention to conquer anybody."
Condoleeza Rice, in response to the proposition, "if Saddam's primary export or natural resource was olive oil rather than oil, we would not be going through this situation," said: "This cannot be further from the truth. ... He is a threat to his neighbors. He's a threat to American security interest. That is what the president has in mind." She continued: "This is not about oil."
Colin Powell: "This is not about oil; this is about a tyrant, a dictator, who is developing weapons of mass destruction to use against the Arab populations."
Donald Rumsfeld: "It's not about oil and it's not about religion."
White House spokesperson Ari Fleischer on the U.S. desire to access Iraqi oil fields: "there's just nothing to it."
Coalition Provisional Authority Paul Bremer: "I have heard that allegation and I simply reject it."
General John Abizaid, Combatant Commander, Central Command, "It's not about oil."
Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham: "It was not about oil."
"It's not about the oil," the Financial Times reported Richard Perle shouting at a parking attendant in frustration.
Australian Treasurer Peter Costello: "This is not about oil."
Former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger: "The only thing I can tell you is this war is not about oil."
Jack Straw, British Foreign Secretary: "This is not about oil. This is about international peace and security."
Utah Republican Senator Bob Bennett: "This is not about oil. That was very clear. ... This is about America, and America's position in the world, as the upholder of liberty for the oppressed."
And Washington Post columnist Richard Cohen joined war-monger Richard Perle in calling Representative Dennis Kucinich a "liar" (or at very least a "fool"), because Kucinich suggested the war might be motivated in part by a U.S. interest in Iraqi oil.
What lessons are to be drawn from the Greenspan-Kissinger revelations, other than that political leaders routinely lie or engage in mass self-delusion?
Controlling the U.S. war machine will require ending the U.S. addiction to oil -- not just foreign oil, but oil. There are of course other reasons that ending reliance on fossil fuels is imperative and of the greatest urgency.
More and more people are making the connections -- but there's no outpouring in the streets to overcome the entrenched economic interests that seek to maintain the petro-military nexus. A good place to start: The No War, No Warming actions planned for October 21-23 in Washington, D.C. and around the United States.
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People have fought over land, crops, water, and minerals since time began. Guess we havent learned anything in the last 5000 years.
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People have fought over land, crops, water, and minerals since time began. Guess we havent learned anything in the last 5000 years.

It's a shame how we are given natural energy from sun, wind, & water yet we still use oil. I guess nobody can profit from the sun's energy and so on.
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It's a shame how we are given natural energy from sun, wind, & water yet we still use oil. I guess nobody can profit from the sun's energy and so on.
Bingo. That's why the government hasn't invested a whole lot of money, time, nor energy in finding alternative energy sources. It's all about greed.
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Old 09-21-2007, 11:20 PM
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I love when the truth accidentally slips through...
ORIGINALLY the Iraq escapade was called Operation Iraqi Freedom....oops too honest so they changed it. Now 5 years later it's finally coming out from some old school established hacks.

Right it's about saving the poor innocent suffering Iraqis, sadly 500,000 plus were saved permanently & soon the poor suffering innocent Iranians...
Now it's about & ALWAYS HAS BEEN about control of the spigot. It always has been.

Sadly we are all complicit because we willingly pay everyday at the pump for some of the biggest profit margins in the history of the O.I.L. Industry.

Of course we have the technology & have had it for more than 50 years to go a less 'profit' driven direction. Yet we let them tell us with authority it is for our own good to stay in 1920's technology.

It's in our own best interest that EXXON makes millions of dollars a minute.
Yup thank god they know whats good for us....

& if we know what's good for us we'll expand death & destruction to Iran (opening the gates of hell) for all of us to pay in a thousand ways for...whats good for us. Operation Iranian Freedom. <<<<<Very catchy huh?
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The sadness and sickness in America is not just that we launched an unjustified war, and betrayed the humanity of the Iraqis we said we wanted to help, but that we betrayed our own humanity and the memory of those who died on 9-11-01.
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Here is the real rub that just pisses me off no end, we have been screwing ourselves for a long time and it DOES come from oil companies. This is VERY old news...

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Henry Ford designed his automobiles, beginning with the 1908 Model T, to use ethanol. Ford was so convinced that renewable resources were the key to the success of his automobiles that he built a plant to make ethanol in the Midwest and formed a partnership with Standard Oil to sell it in their distributing stations. During the 1920's, this biofuel was 25% of Standard Oil's sales in that area. With the growth of the petroleum industry Standard Oil cast its future with fossil fuels. Ford continued to promote the use of ethanol through the 1930's. The petroleum industry undercut the biofuel sales and by 1940 the plant was closed due to the low prices of petroleum.

In the 1930's, the industrialists entered the picture. William Randolph Hurst, who produced 90% of the paper in the United States, Secretary of Treasury, Andrew Mellon, who was a major financial backer for the DuPont Company which ha d just patented the chemical necessary to process wood pulp into paper, the Rockefellers, and other "oil barons", who were developing vast empires from petroleum, all had vested interest in seeing the renewable resources industry derailed, the hemp industry eliminated, and biomass fuels derided. A campaign was begun to discredit hemp. Playing on the racism that existed in America, Hurst used his newspapers to apply the name "marijuana" to hemp. Marijuana is the Mexican word for the hemp plant. This application along with various "objective" articles began to create a fear. By 1937, these industrialists were able to parlay the fear they created into the Marijuana Tax Act. This law was the precursor to the demise of the hemp industry in the United States and the resultant long reaching effect on the biofuel, petroleum and many other industries. Within three years, Ford closed his biofuel plant.
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It's a shame how we are given natural energy from sun, wind, & water yet we still use oil. I guess nobody can profit from the sun's energy and so on.
You nailed it Petey.
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Reality Check.... I guess none of you drive Cars or mow the grass, nor buy disposible plastic Shampoo bottles, nor bag your Groceries that are Trucked or Shipped by Train, nor do you Heat your homes in the winter....

Don't be Hypocritical, We ALL Depend on OIL...
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Old 09-22-2007, 02:50 AM
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Reality Check.... I guess none of you drive Cars or mow the grass, nor buy disposible plastic Shampoo bottles, nor bag your Groceries that are Trucked or Shipped by Train, nor do you Heat your homes in the winter....

Don't be Hypocritical, We ALL Depend on OIL...
Deeper reality check. We do it because those who profit from it in MEGA dollars have suppressed the technology free market process that would allow 'other' forms of these technologies to flourish.

That is the point not realized or seen.

Adam Smith made it CLEAR Monopoly is the bain of Capitalism...These Petroleum based Corporate Empires have insured that it is true.
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