U.S. forces seize Iranian officer in Iraq

gixaholic · #21 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

Yeah, MSNBC is such a far right voice.

I'll remember how MSNBC is so biased whenever either of you guys try to use it as a source.

You just refuse to accept the article because you don't want to accept it. Even your party leaders are saying Iran is a threat - I guess they are lying also, right?

Toxic along with NOYB and a few other poster's are islamist themselves. It is all over there posts...

It would suprise me if atleast these two are posting from inside the borders of the USA

StormanNorman · #22 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock

Yea yea yea this is going to go on back and forth as long as we are there next door building bases. Makes sense I think that all the bordering countries would be there because it is not their border. you see people like Bush and dom do not understand Iran, Syria, and Saudia Arabia psychology is connected by there sect and tribes and not by the border drawn by others.The longer we stay the higher degree of likeihood is there will be an all out conflict and that may be the entire drift we want this to float towards.

Iran accused the United States of supporting Iranian opposition groups that are attacking Iranian forces. Members of one of the groups, the Party for a Free Life in Kurdistan, or PJAK, reside along the mountainous border in northern Iraq. In mid-August, Iranian forces began to launch rockets and artillery shells into Iraqi territory under the pretext of combating the separatist rebels, according to Iraqi officials and villagers. The barrage has driven more than 2,000 people from their homes in the mountains.

"If there are terrorist groups which actually want to enter the Iranian territories, naturally we will confront them and stand against them," Iran said. "We haven't any doubt that every group that wants to attack us has the support of the Americans," he added.

Yea yea yea we bagged them they bag us thats war dude and we wanted it. I think the part that gets me is that Americans are so tingly that Iraqs neighbors would be involved.

All the bordering countries are responding to some degree just much less then our response and involvement in Iraq. I think we might be involved across the border if Iran was in Mexico Y

a think?

It's all about influence, Rock....and no doubt, Syria, Saudi, Iran, etc. have vested interests in the future shape on Iraq...probably Iran more than anyone.
- They don't want the US in force right on their border
- About 25 years ago, a secular Sunni lead an ivasion of Iran that killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians. I don't think they are willing to take any chances on who comes to power in Iraq without attempting to rig the game in their favor.

toxic · #23 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

... That is the problem, people don't believe this stuff just because of their Bush hatred. Even when the Democratic leaders say Iran is a threat it is ignored because Bush says it also.

It is almost like the agenda or platform of a large part of the Dem. base is "we hate Bush" and nothing more.

It isn't quite that simple. While in the US Army, I trained with both Iraqis and Iranians. I have no hysterical religious driven hatred of them.

After the Army, I went back to college and schooled with Iranians. It was no secret that they were quite confused with the US support for the Shah of Iran. They described him just as Bush described Saddam (secret police, torture, murder). I think they used religion to overthrow him, because that was the only organization not under the Shahs complete control.

History matters. The people of Iran do not hate us yet. If Bush tries to use a heavy boot over there, America's credibility in the World is completely finished.

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Originally Posted by Dom1

... There is a difference between Saudi nationals and the Saudi government. But I agree, a large part of the terrorism in the world is coming out of Saudi Arabia. If you want to make a strong case for going to war with Saudi Arabia you will get very little argument from me. Of course, I also realize that both Mecca and Medina are in Saudi Arabia, so what was a war between extremists and the West could turn into something much, much more.

I don't want to make a case for going to war with anyone. I have seen war and it is the signular most destructive and costly activity that humans do. There are much better ways to get things done.

We need to be the adults in this world of children.

Rock · #24 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by StormanNorman

It's all about influence, Rock....and no doubt, Syria, Saudi, Iran, etc. have vested interests in the future shape on Iraq...probably Iran more than anyone.
- They don't want the US in force right on their border
- About 25 years ago, a secular Sunni lead an ivasion of Iran that killed hundreds of thousands of Iranians. I don't think they are willing to take any chances on who comes to power in Iraq without attempting to rig the game in their favor.

Yea yea well there is a new U.S. base is to be built about four miles from the Iranian border at this very moment. The U.S. officer overseeing the project, Maj. Toby Logsdon, "says that the new base will have living quarters for at least 200 soldiers. He hopes U.S. forces will begin living at the new outpost in November." So we are in their face and arming some sunni enemies of iraq and other Shis who war on the suniis. we are deep in the middle and did you know of all the construction along the border? Sheeeeeeeeeeeetttttt we are in it deep and for the long ass haul and just setting up a target so we can claim they attacked our base. Americans are so easily manipulated. it is all being laid out now at this very moment.

StormanNorman · #25 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock

Yea yea well there is a new U.S. base is to be built about four miles from the Iranian border at this very moment. The U.S. officer overseeing the project, Maj. Toby Logsdon, "says that the new base will have living quarters for at least 200 soldiers. He hopes U.S. forces will begin living at the new outpost in November." So we are in their face and arming some sunni enemies of iraq and other Shis who war on the suniis. we are deep in the middle and did you know of all the construction along the border? Sheeeeeeeeeeeetttttt we are in it deep and for the long ass haul and just setting up a target so we can claim they attacked our base. Americans are so easily manipulated. it is all being laid out now at this very moment.

Where is this base??

Smitty0311 · #26 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:31 PM

Gix You Cant Argue With A Group That Believes That The Iranians Have A Right To Kill Our Troops Because Of Our Presence In The Middle East.

Rock · #27 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dom1

I'm not the one who is denying that Iran is doing this shit, so I guess I understand much more than the people who are denying it, right? Retard. You say I don't understand when I am the one who said they were there - and then you go on to say the same thing.

There you go again argueing with yourself on something I am not even saying. Are you a bit senile? Of course they will respond to us and us to them. it is all planned the base, provoking some group in Iran to lob something at the base we are building in their backyard !!! Next up Bush and co. tell the people OUR BASE WAS ATTACKED. That is the plan They intend to be as provocative as possible and make the Iranians do something [America] would be forced to retaliate for,” says Hillary Mann, the administration’s former National Security Council director for Iran and Persian Gulf Affairs. JJJEEEEZUS you have fallen right foorit. you are here talling about some iranian deset groups being involved as though it were some surprised. while the lightbulb turned on for you on that one did you know american troops are right there with them INVOLVED and building this base to set up the entire picture. You really fall for the set up dude.

Rock · #28 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by StormanNorman

Where is this base??

The Pentagon reports it is along the border. the front tag line is to stem weapons (as though a base would stem weapons along thousands of miles of border). it will have just several hundred troops and it is the set up for some or any Iranian to strike a US base to start the shit. It has been laid out for months. Hillary Mann a former BUSH insider spoke about it at the U. It is going to happen. are you people dumb enough to think a tiny base in one spot is really there to stem the flow of thousands of miles of border. It is there for one reason. It is a sitting duck target to justify a retaliation for the drum rolllllllllllllll to Iran.

Pentagon plans base near Iraq-Iran border: report - Yahoo! News

Sam · #29 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock

The Pentagon reports it is along the border. the front tag line is to stem weapons (as though a base would stem weapons along thousands of miles of border). it will have just several hundred troops and it is the set up for some or any Iranian to strike a US base to start the shit. It has been laid out for months. Hillary Mann a former BUSH insider spoke about it at the U. It is going to happen. are you people dumb enough to think a tiny base in one spot is really there to stem the flow of thousands of miles of border. It is there for one reason. It is a sitting duck target to justify a retaliation for the drum rolllllllllllllll to Iran.

Pentagon plans base near Iraq-Iran border: report - Yahoo! News

Who are you? I need to read more to see if this base story is true. I have not heard of this before-when did you hear Hillary Mann speak about this base?

crowonapost · #30 (**permalink**) 09-20-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Who are you? I need to read more to see if this base story is true. I have not heard of this before-when did you hear Hillary Mann speak about this base?

Ya I saw that a couple of days ago in the news.

Trust me they are doing everything they can to create a gulf of Tonkin incident.

They've been trying since before the last election. Remember the advanced IED's that said 'made in Iran'? The problem is none of the shit stuck to the wall... now they are trying in earnest before the administration loses ALL steam. Cheney has wanted this since before coming to office.