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Old 09-15-2007, 10:21 PM
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But wait. What about "on the ground" suffering in Iraq? Is it unpatriotic to want to know what's happening to vulnerable people who have nothing against the U.S.? You know, the ones who can't find water, or worse, are little children roaming the streets in desperate fear?

What if we take a small part of media attention and focus on the children Bob Herbert wrote about recently. Before the Iraq war, he explained, one in eight children died before the age of five due often to unsanitary conditions. Now children roam the streets vulnerable to worse and the worst types of human beings. Yet in our fancy suits back in Washington the talk is nearly exclusively about who is winning, when we'll win, and splitting hairs between the concepts of "success" and "victory".

Have we lost our minds or just our souls? War is hell. Indeed it is. But it is ever more so when those forging it think only of their strategic goals and vested interests and not of the carnage they leave in the wake of such "achievements." Carnage we're not allowed to see.

Herbert wrote:

Now, more than four years after the invasion, huge numbers of Iraqi children are finding themselves orphaned, homeless, malnourished, and worse.

He added:

"Just considering the number of the dead and the number of displaced, this is probably the biggest humanitarian crisis in the world," said James Paul, the executive director of Global Policy Forum, which recently compiled an extensive report on the war and occupation. "This is the biggest displacement of people in the Middle East in a very long time."

The effect on children of the carnage, the dislocations and the deteriorating quality of daily life has been profound.

Bill O'Reilly attacked Huffington Post yesterday and I wondered where he is on this. O'Reilly's positive contribution has been caring about abused and neglected children. Is this a far left fiction that I'm writing about here? Or is this right up his right alley -- something he should be up in arms about? And if not, why not? Are only American children of interest to us? On this issue do we not have a common bond?

Is it sterilized warfare we're in - removed from any sense beyond numbers of tragedies and casualties among innocents? Are such discussions inconvenient? And where are the presidential candidates on this? What are your thoughts Senators Obama, Clinton and Dodd? And what of you John Edwards, Rudy Giuliani, John McCain, Governor Richardson and the whole lot of you?

Where is Congress on this? Did anyone ask the other day, holding feet to the fire, "General, can we talk for a while about Iraqi children and casualties?" If the Democrats want to make a difference, shouldn't this be a significant line of questioning? Can't they bring this war home to us the way the story of missing Madeline has entered so many minds and hearts? Pie and line charts tell us nothing of what's really "on the ground." Surely there are children in Iraq missing and maimed about whom we would care too if we saw them and learned about their lives.

To their individual and team credit, soldiers have helped many Iraqi children. But what is the U.S. strategy regarding the safety of so many others? "What are your thoughts on this Mr. President?"

If General Patraeus and George W. Bush were upstairs in your kitchen having a Warhammer match would they hold off the plasma pistols and resist the Terminator Army, comb the streets for homeless, terrified children and remove them from harm's way? Would they facilitate the entrance of UNICEF or the U.N. to help innocent people? Would they give diplomacy a real chance or is that just a catchword for them - something they don't do well so won't bother with at all?

Would the civilian "nightmare "Bob Herbert describes happening "on-the-ground" interest them? Or is all of that mere distraction from some softy or supposed left leaning spoiler like me who just doesn't get the big picture? Is there even a page in their rulebook about civilians? If so, could we go there, please?

"Yes, excuse me General. With all due respect. We missed a question. Do you ever wonder who and what we've become?"
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Old 09-16-2007, 09:31 AM
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Really want to help? P.M. me and I will give you the address of a Orphanage I support in Iraq. I won't hear from you, just like I have NEVER heard from ANY Liberal. People like you couldn't care less about those children. Your ONLY motivation is to hate America, and back the enemy. Jane Fonda would be proud of you.
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Old 09-16-2007, 09:58 AM
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Really want to help? P.M. me and I will give you the address of a Orphanage I support in Iraq. I won't hear from you, just like I have NEVER heard from ANY Liberal. People like you couldn't care less about those children. Your ONLY motivation is to hate America, and back the enemy. Jane Fonda would be proud of you.
Dizzy, I am amazed that nobody has contacted about this worthy cause and yet they say they care about the children.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:19 AM
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Still dizzy,
You are making assumptions that people are not doing anything to support the orphans in Iraq. And you know what they say about assumptions?

They make a ass out of the person doing the assuming.

How about we stop making these kids orphans and eventually that orphanage can close, but not until many are grown and become terroists themselves.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:28 AM
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Default I support Situations Here at Home.

Supporting meanful causes around the world is okay in
my book, but what about the unforturnate ones here
in United States? Nobody asked the American government
to bomb the Middle East (which is a waste of tax payers
dollars), and here we are feeding people when there's our
own American citizens who is starving everyday.

American government is in ALL areas of the Middle East,
and we are not there to protect the people. We are there
to control the oil fields, and my question is... What will
happen or Americans do if (1) The oil field burn out (2):
If we get ran out of the Middle East?
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:49 AM
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Ghostdog, we just might find out in the near future.

(1) We don't even need oil with current repressed technology, but the corporations that do control the US gov't via lobbiests and on the side deals that do not help the civilian population in general.

(2) Those left to control the oil in the middle east will use their wealth against us since they have been treated so horribly. Payback just might be painful.

Why does our country ignore the problems at home but tries to solve the problems of the world? My best guess is that they don't really care.

I do like your post Jack, by the way.
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Old 09-16-2007, 11:51 AM
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I like your post too sour claw.

It is right on.


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Ghostdog, we just might find out in the near future.

(1) We don't even need oil with current repressed technology, but the corporations that do control the US gov't via lobbiests and on the side deals that do not help the civilian population in general.

(2) Those left to control the oil in the middle east will use their wealth against us since they have been treated so horribly. Payback just might be painful.

Why does our country ignore the problems at home but tries to solve the problems of the world? My best guess is that they don't really care.

I do like your post Jack, by the way.
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Old 09-16-2007, 12:13 PM
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I like your post too sour claw.

It is right on.
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Old 09-16-2007, 10:31 PM
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Naw I am way too complicated for a on line test to peg who I am .

Plus its a waste of time , I know who I am , I don't need somebody else to tell me


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Belief-O-Matic :-)

I'm also interested in your understanding of THE TRINITY and perspective/perception verses Knowledge.

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Old 09-22-2007, 11:11 PM
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Dizzy I have a long list of worthwhile causes however I would like to know the name of the orhange where you send money. Please do let me know. I will be waiting to see your answer.

Now the point of the post was not out charitable donations , but the carnage in Iraq we have our handprint on. Is the hundreds of thousands of death and millions of suffering worth the oil. Maybe it woud have just been better to pay for it then kill over it.
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