Basicaly you both proove you dont know shit abotu Patton or Patreaous. thats fucking assinine.

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Everything you just said is total bullshit

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The Dems know they can’t turn their backs on the hard core MoveOn crowd because they need the votes. Without the extreme left they stand no chance on winning. That’s also why they are so soft on immigration. They need the minority vote. The same could be said about the hard core Christian right. Without them the Reps don’t stand a chance. And therefore we have the fu*ked up political situation that we are in. It’s not what’s good for America it’s whats going to get your political party in office that matters

What are you suggesting? We all just sit in the middle. Sounds pretty boring to me. Changes within a country are not brought on by sheep who are afraid of strong opinions.

I remember the '92 Republican convention featuring people like Robertson and Buchanan and thought to myself that this was not representing the American people. This was representing the far-right of the party. It was almost comical because it was what Democrats said it would be and while I was only 22 at the time I realized that if the Republicans didn't moderate themselves they'd never win anything again. I protested in my own way in '92 and voted for Perot. I supported and still support a flat-tax which was his big issue. They have made some strides in doing so. Giuliani who is the current front-runner is a fiscal conservative but a social liberal (like me). At this rate, he seems to be in line for the nomination in '08 and in my view is the only candidate capale of beating Hillary. The Democrats are in that same situation now. The "far left" has taken the party over. There weren't nearly enough Democrats issuing harsh statements about MoveOn.Org's repulsive ad about General Patreaus because if they do they lose the financial advantages of being associated with them. Look what they did with John Edwards wife recently. Look what they did to Joe Liebermann because he dared bucked the system. Like the Republicans had to at that time, the moderate portion of the Democratic Party is going to have to sit down and decide if they want to take their party back or not. The current Congressional Approval rate 11%. Bush is a robust 29% and General Patreaus is at an astounding 61%.

As far as people "sitting in the middle", it is my belief that the majority of Americans are issues oriented as opposed to party oriented. Another words, I woulld never be considered a "true" Republican in some circles because I'm pro-choice, an agnostic (but I believe in something!!!), support gay marriage, wider stem-cell reearch and other issues which don't bear repeating here. However, the issues most important to me at this time are terrorism, the War in Iraq (same thing really), taxation, children's rights and judges. If there was a Democrat who came along and supported some of these issues and not just blow sunshine up my ass I'd support him/her. I'm not particularly impressed with the majority of the Republican Party these days and I'm certainly not happy with the Democratic Party these days. I believe that the people will rise up and make some of these dip-shits occupying space (and little else) in Washington either get their shit together or vote them out. 11% approval tells me that all is not well.

Well put Steve .The point I guess I was trying to get across is that because political parties have to pander to the extreme side, be it right or left, its making the govt dysfunctional. And like was just posted, the approval rating says a lot about how dysfunctional the politicians in Washington are.