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Old 08-28-2007, 08:48 PM
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By Sam Dagher
Tue Aug 28, 4:00 AM ET



Basra, Iraq - The last contingent of British soldiers based in the center of this southern city will leave by Friday, says a senior Iraqi security official, adding that a deal has been struck with leaders of Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army to ensure their safe departure.



As they pull back to a base outside Basra, the British will leave a vital provincial capital in the throes of a turf battle between Shiite factions – one that Mr. Sadr's militia appears to be winning.

"By the end of August, there will be no presence for British forces at the palace or at the joint coordination center. Both will be in the hands of the Iraqi government," says the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitive nature of the matter. "I think it's best if they leave, because they did nothing to stop the militias, which were formed in the womb of their occupation." A spokesman for the British military in Basra confirmed that a small force left the Provincial Joint Coordination Center (PJCC), site of a British-Iraqi security task force, Saturday. He declined comment on the timing of the pullout of 500 soldiers from a compound of four Saddam Hussein-era palaces that are located on the strategic Shatt al-Arab River. The buildings have been occupied by coalition troops since the start of the war in 2003.

Ahead of the pullout, an agreement between British and Iraqi authorities resulted in the transfer of more than two dozen Mahdi Army prisoners from British to Iraqi custody, according to the security official. They were then released by an Iraqi court in an attempt to pacify the militias during the highly symbolic handover of the palaces to Iraqis, he said. The British did not comment on any arrangements.

The departing force will join 5,000 soldiers at the Shaibah air base, about 10 miles southwest of the city, also home to the US and British consulates. Unlike their US counterparts elsewhere in Iraq, British forces have been gradually trimming their presence in the south since May 2003, when they numbered 18,000.

The Iraqi official says the palaces will be handed over to an Iraqi force dispatched from Baghdad and will not be given to the controversial provincial authority, which is embroiled in a power struggle between rival Shiite political parties. This 3,000-strong Iraqi force will consist of two Army battalions and elements from the Ministry of Interior's commando unit.

The Mahdi Army, which according to one estimate, numbers about 17,000 in Basra and is divided into about 40 sariyas (company-size military unit), is the strongest among its rivals in the militia-infiltrated police force and it has influence over vital sectors such as health, education, power distribution, and ports.

Although Basra, an economically important port city in a province with some of the largest oil deposits in the world, is considerably calmer and less violent than Baghdad, it faces a low-intensity, yet vicious, battle between the Mahdi Army and its many competitors that has spread fear and apprehension among many of the city's estimated 1.8 million residents.

One local official says about 5,000 assassinations have occurred inside the city in the past two years.

It was at a Friday night meeting when two Mahdi Army commanders and a lawyer tied to Sadr came to an Iraqi government official's home to ask about one of their senior leaders. They wanted to know if Sajad was among 26 detainees released by British forces. Their cases were recently transferred to the Iraqi judicial system. Half had already been freed because the court deemed the evidence submitted by the British side insufficient to prosecute them. The rest have been released on bail, according to the lawyer, Yahya al-Taie.

One commander, who asked not to be named, carefully looked over a list of detainees until he found Sajad's name. He commands fighters in the city's Garmat Ali section. His arrest last year was hailed as a coup by British forces during their offensive against militias in the city as part of Operation Sinbad that lasted from September 2006 to March 2007.Now, as the British prepare for departure, Sajad was freed.

"The arrests did not stop the rockets, nor did the rockets defeat the British," said the security source. "We needed to find an alternative solution that would calm things down a bit."

The palaces that the British will vacate have been the target of constant rocket and mortar attacks, which have declined over the past 10 days.

The British military in Basra denied interview requests. In an e-mail, spokesman Maj. Mike Shearer did not comment on whether the military was aware of, or involved in, a prisoner release in exchange for a suspension of attacks. He said that British forces have held more than 2,250 Iraqi suspects since Jan. 1, 2004, including the 26 transferred to the Iraqi court system. They have released all but 80 prisoners.

The Iraqi official said releasing Mahdi Army fighters – combined with the absence of an excuse for militias to launch attacks on the palace – would give Lt. Gen. Mohan Hafidh, head of the Basra Operations Center appointed by Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, enough breathing room to stabilize the province.

But the PJCC left by the British Saturday was the scene of a four-hour looting spree Sunday, according to security officials.

"We will lessen the attacks against them [the British] and we will stop altogether if they release all our prisoners," said one of the Mahdi Army leaders at the Friday meeting. A colleague, who appeared more senior, disagreed: "The resistance will continue until the last soldier leaves Basra."

Indeed, overall attacks against British forces have increased despite the gradual decline in troop numbers. This year, 41 soldiers have died, compared with 29 in all of 2006.

Although members of the Mahdi Army pledge allegiance to Sadr, many operate according to conflicting agendas and some are linked to Iran, according to security officials. Last week, efforts by police chief Maj. Gen. Jalil Khalaf to hem in the notoriously corrupt and militia-controlled intelligence and criminal investigation units of the police force were met with protests and threats. There have already been two attempts on his life since Mr. Maliki appointed him three months ago.

A candidate for the same post at the time said the Mahdi Army is the most formidable force in the province. He said that he was visited by five militia leaders who told him: "We will support you but people should know you are with us."

On the streets, there is a sense of jubilation and victory over British forces. In central Arousa Square, a street was renamed after the "martyr Jaafar Muhammad," killed in clashes with the British. "He's one of my guys. One of the valiant heroes of the Imam Mahdi Army," says a bearded company commander who gave his name as Uncle Abed. "God has blessed us with victory over the occupation."
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Old 08-28-2007, 09:06 PM
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We will not go home. we will stay until the mission is done that is what is needed. And if we did go home now the terrorist will just follow us home here to the U.S. so we must as well fight them there instead of here. And the next thing we must find all the terrorist that are all ready here use any means that we can to find them and kill them. Which leds me to the next thing we as a nation must change the way the military is used or at least the rules of engagement is used we should be allowed to kill the everyone that is our enemy because that is the enemy does to us so we must play by the same rules as them. What do you think of that?
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We will not go home. we will stay until the mission is done that is what is needed. And if we did go home now the terrorist will just follow us home here to the U.S. so we must as well fight them there instead of here. And the next thing we must find all the terrorist that are all ready here use any means that we can to find them and kill them. Which leds me to the next thing we as a nation must change the way the military is used or at least the rules of engagement is used we should be allowed to kill the everyone that is our enemy because that is the enemy does to us so we must play by the same rules as them. What do you think of that?
Well for one I think that means that in World War II we would have Nazi concentration camps and we would have been sending young children over to Vietnam to be suicide bombers. I think you went a little too far I guess. On a different note I’m proud to say that Iran has announced that they are ready to fill the void that will be left when we leave Iraq.
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Old 08-28-2007, 09:31 PM
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We will not go home. we will stay until the mission is done that is what is needed. And if we did go home now the terrorist will just follow us home here to the U.S. so we must as well fight them there instead of here. And the next thing we must find all the terrorist that are all ready here use any means that we can to find them and kill them. Which leds me to the next thing we as a nation must change the way the military is used or at least the rules of engagement is used we should be allowed to kill the everyone that is our enemy because that is the enemy does to us so we must play by the same rules as them. What do you think of that?
They are by no means locked into Iraq. Nothing done there prevents them from coming here. The rest of your nonesence might as be from Stalin or Hussein.
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They are by no means locked into Iraq. Nothing done there prevents them from coming here. The rest of your nonesence might as be from Stalin or Hussein.
Well besides the Embassy that almost cost $600,000,000. That may keep us there for a little while. Then again we have wasted much much more cash than that.
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We will not go home. we will stay until the mission is done that is what is needed. And if we did go home now the terrorist will just follow us home here to the U.S. so we must as well fight them there instead of here. And the next thing we must find all the terrorist that are all ready here use any means that we can to find them and kill them. Which leds me to the next thing we as a nation must change the way the military is used or at least the rules of engagement is used we should be allowed to kill the everyone that is our enemy because that is the enemy does to us so we must play by the same rules as them. What do you think of that?
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Yes we are staying over there to finish the job that we went in there to do. We are there to get ride of the terrorism in that part of the world. What you people have are short memories the terrorist started this war on 9/11 and that is why we are over there now to kick some terrorist butt in that part of the world and we will and shall kick their butts where ever they may be but we do not play by their rules but and until we do we will not win. Lets wake up and smell the coffee burning people we are and all ways will be ar war with the terrorist lets start playing by their rules and win U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH Lets transform and roll out GO AMERICA
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Yes we are staying over there to finish the job that we went in there to do. We are there to get ride of the terrorism in that part of the world. What you people have are short memories the terrorist started this war on 9/11 and that is why we are over there now to kick some terrorist butt in that part of the world and we will and shall kick their butts where ever they may be but we do not play by their rules but and until we do we will not win. Lets wake up and smell the coffee burning people we are and all ways will be ar war with the terrorist lets start playing by their rules and win U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH Lets transform and roll out GO AMERICA
Maybe we should have finished the job in Afghanistan first...ya think?
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Yes we are staying over there to finish the job that we went in there to do. We are there to get ride of the terrorism in that part of the world. What you people have are short memories the terrorist started this war on 9/11 and that is why we are over there now to kick some terrorist butt in that part of the world and we will and shall kick their butts where ever they may be but we do not play by their rules but and until we do we will not win. Lets wake up and smell the coffee burning people we are and all ways will be ar war with the terrorist lets start playing by their rules and win U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH Lets transform and roll out GO AMERICA
If we play by their rules and do what they do how are we any better than them? I'm not saying strong measures aren't called for. I'm just trying to make sure you're not suggesting suicide bombings.
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Yes we are staying over there to finish the job that we went in there to do. We are there to get ride of the terrorism in that part of the world. What you people have are short memories the terrorist started this war on 9/11 and that is why we are over there now to kick some terrorist butt in that part of the world and we will and shall kick their butts where ever they may be but we do not play by their rules but and until we do we will not win. Lets wake up and smell the coffee burning people we are and all ways will be ar war with the terrorist lets start playing by their rules and win U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH - U RAH RAH Lets transform and roll out GO AMERICA
This is a joke right? Transform??!!? ..and Roll Out?!?!?...Your probbly to young to even cuss at.
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