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View Poll Results: Is Israel's an America ally or vice versa
Israel is America's ally 5 38.46%
America is Israel's ally 3 23.08%
Israel controls America 4 30.77%
America doesn't care about Israel 1 7.69%
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Old 11-18-2006, 10:55 AM
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Default How Close is America with Israel?

When the UN Committee condemned Israel's action against the Palestinian it wasn't shocking to see that America was against the condemnation. America seems to be protecting Israel. Israel attacks in Gaza is against human rights and the principle of democracy and still America doesn't stop Israel and instead seems to be supporting them. This also happens when Israel attacks Lebanon and they bomb the civilians there heartlessly. The majority of the world condemned the attack while America stays quiet and acts like everything is just fine in the Middle East. This shows that there is a big hidden agenda between America and Israel until even though Israel violates international laws and democrating principles which America trully believes, America didn't took any action against Israel. There is also the issue about whether Israel has nuclear weapons or not. An Israel scientist once claimed that Israel was producing nuclear weapons and America did nothing to investigate. This is very different with how America treats the same issue with Iran and North Korea. It comes to show that the relationship between America and Israel is not and ordinary friend and ally relationship but it could be something deeper, maybe master and dog relationship where America is the dog and Israel is the master.
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Old 11-18-2006, 11:17 AM
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Default So, which OPEC country are you from?

This is pure unadulterated propaganda.

OPEC pulls the strings of the UN puppet. That is why Israel is constantly on the receiving end of UN condemnation while there is little to NOTHING ever said about atrocities committed by Israel's enemies. That is also why there is no action is ever put behind anything the UN "demands" of an OPEC country.

OPEC has France and Russia in its pocket. That is why they will never again agree to another UN backed military action against any OPEC country.

NO other country in the world has voted in agreement with the United States at the UN level more often than Israel, including Great Britain. No other country or group of countries in the world have voted in disagreement with the U.S. more often than the OPEC economic terrorist alliance.
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Old 11-19-2006, 10:35 AM
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The UN is more anti Jew than Hilter was, the only diference the US and Israel will not allow a repeat of WWII.
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Old 11-19-2006, 09:33 PM
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I guess it was just another troll post.
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Old 11-20-2006, 03:55 PM
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Some truly believe (I have no opinion) that Zionism is anti-jew in reality.

Also consider that there were what, 12 tribes of Israel in biblical times? 10 are lost, yet all 12 are to receive the promised land as inheratence. What if "Palistinians" are one of the lost tribes- what a bytch that would be huh?

Of course many believe America is possibly the New Jerusalem and that history is keeping this a secret- but all of this is simply hear-say to me.

Just some random thoughts.
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Old 11-20-2006, 10:46 PM
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Some truly believe (I have no opinion) that Zionism is anti-jew in reality.
Yes there are some who say this, but for the most part this stems from Arab-Muslim propaganda, reinforced by some who call themselves Jews but aren't. They are even mentioned in the Bible.

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Also consider that there were what, 12 tribes of Israel in biblical times? 10 are lost, yet all 12 are to receive the promised land as inheratence. What if "Palistinians" are one of the lost tribes- what a bytch that would be huh?
Accept that the Arab-Palestinians are not, they are descended from many other nations, but mostly from Abraham's illegitimate son Ishmael. The great nation promised to him was Arabia.

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Of course many believe America is possibly the New Jerusalem and that history is keeping this a secret- but all of this is simply hear-say to me.
I believe that theory comes out of the Mormon church which, like some others, teaches that its followers are the "replacement chosen". I won't get into dismantling this theory since many here are touchy about that sort of thing.

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Old 11-21-2006, 11:33 PM
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I think many here have the right anger about the 'ones in control' but have it directed in all the wrong directions.
It's about energy & follow the money.
In this Middle Eastern Geopolitical mess were in everyones being played. The Unites States, Israel, All the Muslim countries & the UN.

OPEC is just a proxy for a very small cartel of extremely powerful people. These people are the heads of the oil industries. The Wahabbi Sheiks work hand in hand with the CEO's of the major Oil industries to insure All maximize their hold on power.
Because Saudi Arabia has so much reserves they can drown out any country that does not play along.
The only other threat is Iran because the oil interests do not have control over that government. Iraq is precisely where they want them to be. Controlled, limited spigots of oil rationed out so prices can continue to stay high.

How does Israel play into this? Quite simple really keep the people distracted on the enemy over there so you don't look at the incredible discrepancy in wealth in your own country. Why else would such a wealthy nation have 30% unemployment.

The SA Sheiks love all the extremist teaching hate because it keeps them distracted from their stranglehold over the populace. They then export that crap to all the other Dictatorships so they don't have to deal with potential internal revolution & the others ME Dic's can have a justification to crack down on their populace.

How is America manipulated? By having a government ran by one unquestioning & uninterested party & an administration that insures no one looks under that rock.

Whether their will be true oversight is of great question. These are powerful people & they have outsourced many ways to distract & cover up the poison they keep spreading to us.

Why are the 'ones in control' so poisonous? Because they have done everything they can for the last 50 plus years to insure real alternatives in technology never see the light of day. I'm not even talking wind, solar etc. I'm talking things as simple as refined carburetors.

Remember Dick Cheneys closed door energy task force meeting?
I doubt anyone will see what went on behind those doors.
Because they were not in the Peoples interest.

Israel & the US have extremely close ties. Who directs whom? I guess it depends who's in office.
Israel works for the US as a proxy for it's more unpalatable dealings when needed & they make a good distraction for this small groups interests.

Of course the relationship between The US & Israel is in actuality more complex but at it's core both gain by deflecting distraction on the other as needed while this oil slick game is played.

It's all about energy & money.
Religious wars, terrorism just keeps the ants distracted.
It also feeds The other cash cow, weapons proliferation.
All the better when people believe illusions like the UN is some Global insidious force.
It keeps people who have real anger & independent spirits focused on the dog & pony show.
While we are all collectively getting raped economically, environmentally & politically.

We are all getting played here. I hope you understand.
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That all sounds interesting, but how do you explain the folks working to develop E85 (Ethanol) who say that the OPEC countries are controlling the prices to prevent development of alternative fuels?

Oh by the way, there are at least 18 American oil companies in the National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition.
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That all sounds interesting, but how do you explain the folks working to develop E85 (Ethanol) who say that the OPEC countries are controlling the prices to prevent development of alternative fuels?
Fair question Kix.
I would say because the overwhelming shift is staring to take place regardless of what I will call the old world mentality. The high prices went too long & like so many other things it's got out of control. Not that it really matters. They made their money & there is no real threat until a real shift takes place. Also the whole Ethanol fuel is barely a drop in the production & will not have a bearing on the overall refined fuel output. I would go so far as to say it's a more cosmetic solution. When the stranglehold of the technologies we do have are actually allowed to exist in the free market. The shift could be quick & profound.

Luckily we are in a time when people are ready to embrace technology in a way that hasn't been allowed before, because it is in our collective conversation. The real proof is in the implementation.
I know people involved in new technologies & they are wary of letting anyone know the details until they have the infrastructure in place to get it out quickly. There are many big money interests that would stifle any 'real' threat to the oligarchy on energy.
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Fair question Kix.
I would say because the overwhelming shift is staring to take place regardless of what I will call the old world mentality. The high prices went too long & like so many other things it's got out of control. Not that it really matters. They made their money & there is no real threat until a real shift takes place. Also the whole Ethanol fuel is barely a drop in the production & will not have a bearing on the overall refined fuel output. I would go so far as to say it's a more cosmetic solution. When the stranglehold of the technologies we do have are actually allowed to exist in the free market. The shift could be quick & profound.

Luckily we are in a time when people are ready to embrace technology in a way that hasn't been allowed before, because it is in our collective conversation. The real proof is in the implementation.
I know people involved in new technologies & they are wary of letting anyone know the details until they have the infrastructure in place to get it out quickly. There are many big money interests that would stifle any 'real' threat to the oligarchy on energy.
CM and I had a conversation about this a couple of weeks back. I've seriously considered the possibility of opening a station or two here dedicated to selling E85 fuel. GM is already making the vehicles and there are stations all over the country converting to or dedicating a part of their supply to it.

I honestly believe this could turn out to be a much better alternative than a lot of people are giving it credit for. Between this product and the additional oil finds in the Gulf I see no reason why we couldn't be totally free of the oil stranglehold the OPEC countries have on us in as little as 10 years and I'm still convinced that's why they're playing all these price games.

Heck, even Kerr McGee whose been here in OKC forever has picked up and moved to the Gulf with plans to jump on the E85 bandwagon. The oil companies here in the U.S. see what the future is and they aren't going to sit around playing games with a bunch of economic terrorists in the Middle East who could throw them out in the street at any moment. Like you said, they're going to go where the money is. And right now, it's looking like the long term money is going to be in Ethanol.
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