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06-20-2008, 12:31 PM
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>>>That's about the way it was supposed to shake out, at least according to the maps from Cheney's secret Energy Task Force meetings. I hope it was worth the 150,000 or so lives and $1,500,000,000,000 it has cost us so far. Based on a little rough math and oil at $130/bbl, I figure we could have purchased about 11.5 billion barrels. That's a lot.
Btw, us Americans will get to pay for both the war and gas at $5/gallon. Exxon won't have to pay a dime. Some good deal, eh?
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Cut all entitlements in half and freeze all foreign assets in the US. That will solve all problems that Democrats have created to get Obomber elected. 
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06-20-2008, 01:51 PM
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Cut all entitlements in half and freeze all foreign assets in the US. That will solve all problems that Democrats have created to get Obomber elected. 
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They create $4 a gallon gas? Sorry, it does not work that way. The 'entitlements' were the same when gas was around $1.50 a gallon during the last three administrations. You have a hard time with the fact that this current president has royally screwed up more than anyone could have imagined.
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06-20-2008, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by George O Well
>>>That's about the way it was supposed to shake out, at least according to the maps from Cheney's secret Energy Task Force meetings. I hope it was worth the 150,000 or so lives and $1,500,000,000,000 it has cost us so far. Based on a little rough math and oil at $130/bbl, I figure we could have purchased about 11.5 billion barrels. That's a lot.
Btw, us Americans will get to pay for both the war and gas at $5/gallon. Exxon won't have to pay a dime. Some good deal, eh?
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Oh heavens...we can't have Saddam running a gov owned set of oil fields...gas was $1.40 then, maybe it was not such a bad thing...we will not see that price again.
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06-20-2008, 02:30 PM
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Clearly Exxon isn't develop its oil leases in the US because the production of oil in Iraq will be easier and cheaper
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>>>Why develop the oil fields in the U.S. if Saddam is going to continue to undercut us? No point in that, is there? [I'm playing devil's advocate here. Saddam pissed off a lot of Texas oil guys, and it cost him his life.]
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06-21-2008, 12:17 AM
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creating terrorists faster than we can kill 'em
Guess that answers questions about whether or not this was a war for oil. Of course, this isn't going to piss off the Middle East and create a few more Osamas or anything like that. We destroy their country, kill hundreds of thousands of their civilians, and now Bush oil cronies are going to rake in mad profits on their natural resources.
I wonder if the Chimp is going to do another "mission accomplished" photo-op with his flight suit and codpiece.
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06-21-2008, 12:27 AM
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Originally Posted by cat's meow
They create $4 a gallon gas? Sorry, it does not work that way. The 'entitlements' were the same when gas was around $1.50 a gallon during the last three administrations. You have a hard time with the fact that this current president has royally screwed up more than anyone could have imagined.
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I imagined it. I tried to tell people about it from the get go. No one wanted to listen. I pointed out PNAC, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and their writings for the past 35 years. Their obsession with Iraq and the middle east. Their oil entanglements. No one wanted to listen. Everyone was more worried about no child left behind and Srubs perpetual vacations.
All of it was there. The writing was clearly on the wall for anyone to read. PNAC could not have issued any more of a warning as to it's memeber's intentions than in it's "Rebuilding America's Defences" document.
The sad part is, most Americans still don't know. They sit in front of the idiot box view the world in two dimensions and then wonder how the hell this all could have gone so wrong in such a short perios of time.
None of this shit should have been a surprise.
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06-21-2008, 01:41 AM
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I imagined it. I tried to tell people about it from the get go. No one wanted to listen. I pointed out PNAC, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld and their writings for the past 35 years. Their obsession with Iraq and the middle east. Their oil entanglements. No one wanted to listen. Everyone was more worried about no child left behind and Srubs perpetual vacations.
All of it was there. The writing was clearly on the wall for anyone to read. PNAC could not have issued any more of a warning as to it's memeber's intentions than in it's "Rebuilding America's Defences" document.
The sad part is, most Americans still don't know. They sit in front of the idiot box view the world in two dimensions and then wonder how the hell this all could have gone so wrong in such a short perios of time.
None of this shit should have been a surprise.
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It is not a surprise to me for different reasons. I was living in TX when he was the gov. The legislature does not meet in full but every other year, their Constitution makes things very local and decentralized in TX. He really could be Mr. Hands Off, basically he has tried to run the country that way and things have gone haywire.
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06-27-2008, 08:04 PM
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Guess that answers questions about whether or not this was a war for oil. Of course, this isn't going to piss off the Middle East and create a few more Osamas or anything like that. We destroy their country, kill hundreds of thousands of their civilians, and now Bush oil cronies are going to rake in mad profits on their natural resources.
I wonder if the Chimp is going to do another "mission accomplished" photo-op with his flight suit and codpiece.
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Since you have counted these terrorists, you know where they are located.
When will you give that information to the DHS? 
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06-28-2008, 03:25 AM
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>>>Why develop the oil fields in the U.S. if Saddam is going to continue to undercut us? No point in that, is there? [I'm playing devil's advocate here. Saddam pissed off a lot of Texas oil guys, and it cost him his life.]
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He also murdered millions of people, poor guy.
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06-28-2008, 03:28 AM
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It is not a surprise to me for different reasons. I was living in TX when he was the gov. The legislature does not meet in full but every other year, their Constitution makes things very local and decentralized in TX. He really could be Mr. Hands Off, basically he has tried to run the country that way and things have gone haywire.
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And things are run pretty well here. Maybe the Federal Government, as well as many other states should follow our lead. Then the whole country would be better off.
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