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Old 03-25-2008, 02:21 PM
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If you want to quibble, I meant state-ism and its simpler meaning and relation to matters pertaining to States.
You are talking about international relations and not "statism". You are using the term improperly (see Satv's def).

That said, relations between Israel and Palestine are much more an issue of ethnic and religious historical differences which are not going to be fixed by simply “recognizing another state”. Palestinians, along with other Arab states, refuse to recognize Israel as a state; therefore, what is Israel’s incentive to recognize Palestine? Israel has tried to compromise with various peace accords, however, the Arab’s cannot give an inch of ground. There will be no compromise until Palestinians realize that compromise requires a give and take, not just a take.
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You are talking about international relations and not "statism". You are using the term improperly (see Satv's def).

That said, relations between Israel and Palestine are much more an issue of ethnic and religious historical differences which are not going to be fixed by simply “recognizing another state”. Palestinians, along with other Arab states, refuse to recognize Israel as a state; therefore, what is Israel’s incentive to recognize Palestine? Israel has tried to compromise with various peace accords, however, the Arab’s cannot give an inch of ground. There will be no compromise until Palestinians realize that compromise requires a give and take, not just a take.
Isn't intercourse among several sovereign states, a form of "state-ism"? I take the position that states cannot exist without sufficient statism.

The primary difference is that the US, the UN, and Israel recognize Israel as a sovereign state.
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Old 03-25-2008, 06:02 PM
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If you want to quibble, I meant state-ism and its simpler meaning and relation to matters pertaining to States.
Digress from this, your insistance on using the term statism, and making up words like State-ism are gonna leave me no choice but to poke holes in your comprehension of English.

Pick a new word or I will bring it up over and over.
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How does your point of view account for the individualism of the several states, in their severalty? We know individualism exists. If an individual state can exist in nature, then doesn't it follow that a form of state-ism can also exist in nature?

Individual states have a Tenth Amendment.

A US specific example are the relations between the several sovereign states among themselves and general government of the Union.

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Old 03-27-2008, 02:22 PM
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Isn't intercourse among several sovereign states, a form of "state-ism"? I take the position that states cannot exist without sufficient statism.

The primary difference is that the US, the UN, and Israel recognize Israel as a sovereign state.
Stop using words you do not know the meaning of. Whatever you're trying to explain is not "statism" or any form of it! Take an international relations course...please!

I would hope that Israel recognizes itself as a sovereign state.
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Old 03-27-2008, 02:30 PM
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How does your point of view account for the individualism of the several states, in their severalty? We know individualism exists. If an individual state can exist in nature, then doesn't it follow that a form of state-ism can also exist in nature?

Individual states have a Tenth Amendment.

A US specific example are the relations between the several sovereign states among themselves and general government of the Union.
The U.S. has a 10th Amendment...Israel, (which is what you're trying to talk about) doesn't even have a written constitution...so I don't know what point you're trying to make here.

In international relations the term "states" refers to what you know as countries. The United States of America were true prior to the Civil War. The name as we know it today is technically wrong, we are not individual countries within the U.S., more like territories or provinces thereof.
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When did the several sovereign States delegate those rights to the federal government?

The Ninth and Tenth Amendments are included in our Bill of Rights for a reason.

The concept is analogous to a hypothetical federal UN. All of the member States are also nations.
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You are talking about international relations and not "statism". You are using the term improperly (see Satv's def).

That said, relations between Israel and Palestine are much more an issue of ethnic and religious historical differences which are not going to be fixed by simply “recognizing another state”. Palestinians, along with other Arab states, refuse to recognize Israel as a state; therefore, what is Israel’s incentive to recognize Palestine? Israel has tried to compromise with various peace accords, however, the Arab’s cannot give an inch of ground. There will be no compromise until Palestinians realize that compromise requires a give and take, not just a take.
I still haven't heard a good rebuttal to Israel having another stable trading partner in our global economy by simply recognizing one. The US could recognize such a state. If the US did, then UN would probably concur. What reason would Israel have to not want to improve the standard of living of its populace, by engaging in mutually beneficial trade?
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I still haven't heard a good rebuttal to Israel having another stable trading partner in our global economy by simply recognizing one. The US could recognize such a state. If the US did, then UN would probably concur. What reason would Israel have to not want to improve the standard of living of its populace, by engaging in mutually beneficial trade?
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kills your chidren,demolishes house and then says:
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Old 03-31-2008, 01:23 AM
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The simple answer is the Isrealis dont want any peace. Just the water and the land
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