So... you thought we went to war for...

OkhamsRazor · #21 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by satv365

As if your one to talk. You have not posted a single fact to back up a single claim of yours. You lie, ignore it, repeat it and continue your charade of lies.

It's worked for the last seven years, why would they change tactics now? Isn't the mantra "stay the course"?

ONEWHITEDUCK · #22 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 02:43 PM

AS A STATISTICAL DATA ANALYZER.....this poll shows me thet ther is a LOT of UNCERTAINTY about the whole subject matter

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mulp · #23 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisXP

What terms? Paul's a RINO, and trying to fit in with the Neo-Cons, as he stinks like one, brain dead...

And to think that Barry Goldwater thought he was a Republican, and enough Republicans agreed that they nominated him for president.

mulp · #24 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:38 PM

Well, it seems that this forum is reflecting the mood of the rest of the US - let's ignore the Iraq quagmire and wait until a Democrat makes it go away, then start blaming the Democrats for losing a perfectly just war that would remake the world and make the US be seen by the world as an invincible super power that the rest of the world must pay homage and tribute to.

noneof yourbusiness · #25 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mulp

Well, it seems that this forum is reflecting the mood of the rest of the US - let's ignore the Iraq quagmire and wait until a Democrat makes it go away, then start blaming the Democrats for losing a perfectly just war that would remake the world and make the US be seen by the world as an invincible super power that the rest of the world must pay homage and tribute to.

the world knows with or thout Iraq your far from a nation the deserves homage or respect or that your invincible. Just war is a oxymoron phrase rarely used outside of American

ken.e · #26 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

the world knows with or thout Iraq your far from a nation the deserves homage or respect or that your invincible. Just war is a oxymoron phrase rarely used outside of American

You are both right and wrong. The United States should be respected, but there are no "just wars"

But the United States does not deserve respect till we assume our role as the global leader in humanitarianism and human rights, instead of a pariah nation attacking weak and defenseless sand niggers who are asking for it nonetheless. Solution is to convince the Crosses and the Crecsent gangs to stop their beef.. Take god out of the picture and I don't see too many people dying just for stinky old money.

Chief · #27 (**permalink**) 11-25-2007, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

He does have all the answers you know

Heard a Marine on the radio yesterday talking about the massive amount of money that is being pilfered from the government by KBR in the mess halls in Iraq. Regardless of how much or how little you eat (you could just get an apple and leave) they charge the government over $30 each time anyone steps through the door. Your tax dollars at work.

And how would you have them charge the government for the service provided? They get paid by the head count at all dining facilities Army wide. Do you have a better system? Should there be a cashier at the end of the line that totals up every item selected? This would slow down the process. Or maybe you are only unhappy at the price of $30 per meal. If that is the case then maybe you should start a food service company and underbid the current contractor, then try to bring in the supplies and find workers to serve food in a war zone. It's so easy to find fault without offering a solution.

Cookie Parker · #28 (**permalink**) 11-25-2007, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief

And how would you have them charge the government for the service provided? They get paid by the head count at all dining facilities Army wide. Do you have a better system? Should there be a cashier at the end of the line that totals up every item selected? This would slow down the process. Or maybe you are only unhappy at the price of $30 per meal. If that is the case then maybe you should start a food service company and underbid the current contractor, then try to bring in the supplies and find workers to serve food in a war zone. It's so easy to find fault without offering a solution.

How about just auditing and holding them accountable?

Former KBR Worker Admits to Fraud in Iraq

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A former worker for a Halliburton Co. subsidiary faces up to 20 years in prison and a fine of as much as $1.25 million after pleading guilty late last week to taking kickbacks in Iraq in a scheme that defrauded the U.S. government, court records show.

It marks the second case this year of a Halliburton worker facing criminal charges in connection with the company's work in Iraq.

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Glenn Allen Powell, who pleaded guilty on Friday in U.S. District Court in Rock Island, Ill., was employed by Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root Inc. in Iraq from October 2003 until January 2005. During that time, he admitted to taking 20 percent off the top of a subcontract, or more than $110,000.

The fraud came as part of KBR's work on a multibillion-dollar Army contract to provide logistical support to U.S. troops worldwide, including in Iraq. According to the plea agreement, Powell accepted kickbacks from an Iraqi business that had won a job to help renovate four buildings in Iraq for office and warehouse space.

Powell's fraud was discovered in January when KBR investigators searched Powell's residence in Baghdad and found large amounts of cash, including $8,000 worth of $100 bills stuffed in a jacket pocket, $1,580 on top of the refrigerator and about $3,500 worth of Iraqi dinars in the top shelf of a dresser, the court papers said.

KBR then fired Powell, and he returned to the United States.

While the scheme was ongoing, KBR had been unwittingly billing the U.S. government an inflated amount for reimbursement because of the 20 percent kickback. The difference has since been refunded.

"When the issue was discovered, KBR removed the company in question from consideration for any future work as a subcontractor," Halliburton spokeswoman Cathy G. Mann said in a statement. "KBR also issued the government a credit for the amount of the improper payment. Halliburton and KBR take any charges of improper conduct seriously, and we expect the same standard of impeccable ethics from every person and every company with which we do business."

In March, a former KBR manager named Jeff Alex Mazon was charged in an indictment with defrauding the U.S. government of nearly $4 million by inflating the price of fuel tankers for military operations. He is accused of taking $1 million from a subcontractor. In that case, too, federal prosecutors began to investigate after an internal KBR investigation uncovered evidence of wrongdoing.

something republicans have refused to do...hold corporations in Iraq and Afghanistan accountable..

Chief · #29 (**permalink**) 11-25-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

How about just auditing and holding them accountable?

Former KBR Worker Admits to Fraud in Iraq

something republicans have refused to do...hold corporations in Iraq and Afghanistan accountable..

Sure looks to me like 20 years in prison is being held accountable.

freedomlover · #30 (**permalink**) 11-25-2007, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief

And how would you have them charge the government for the service provided? They get paid by the head count at all dining facilities Army wide. Do you have a better system? Should there be a cashier at the end of the line that totals up every item selected? This would slow down the process. Or maybe you are only unhappy at the price of $30 per meal. If that is the case then maybe you should start a food service company and underbid the current contractor, then try to bring in the supplies and find workers to serve food in a war zone. It's so easy to find fault without offering a solution.

Why hire contractors to do what the troops can do themselves, IE: Cook, build, provide security?