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07-02-2006, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Roman
Well said........
Africa won't be a major issue until Asia and South America beocme more developed, then all the cheap labor and resource pillaging will move there. Like you said, its a matter of resources. It's just too bad the UN doesn't have more brass.
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The is the UN will never have any brass. All the UN is good for is asking the US to pay for remodeling Headquarters and mismanaging everything else. 
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07-02-2006, 10:58 AM
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Contrary to popular opinion, more AID in dollars has been given during the Bush Admininstration than any other. As long as there are corrupt governments in Africa, all the aid in the world will not help the citizens. Mugabe, Zimbabwe's president, has instituted programs that have a direct impact on the country's economy and its homeless. In July 2005, Mugabe had his army raze neighborhoods in Harare. According to the UN, 700,000 have become homeless. Mugabe denies that this action was caused due to his opposition's support in the urban areas. He claims that the program is designed to get rid of the 'rubbish' and high crime areas.
Also, the white farmers were ordered off their lands. The lands were confiscated by the government. Mugabe said these farms would be taken over by his people; the farms are empty and nothing is growing. The result is starvation, homelessness and death.
As Mugabe was discussing the plight of the homeless with a UN ambassador, his army was destroying whole neighborhoods.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050...2306-5018r.htm
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/econo...es/06/aid.html
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07-04-2006, 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by menanamermaid
Contrary to popular opinion, more AID in dollars has been given during the Bush Admininstration than any other. As long as there are corrupt governments in Africa, all the aid in the world will not help the citizens. Mugabe, Zimbabwe's president, has instituted programs that have a direct impact on the country's economy and its homeless. In July 2005, Mugabe had his army raze neighborhoods in Harare. According to the UN, 700,000 have become homeless. Mugabe denies that this action was caused due to his opposition's support in the urban areas. He claims that the program is designed to get rid of the 'rubbish' and high crime areas.
Also, the white farmers were ordered off their lands. The lands were confiscated by the government. Mugabe said these farms would be taken over by his people; the farms are empty and nothing is growing. The result is starvation, homelessness and death.
As Mugabe was discussing the plight of the homeless with a UN ambassador, his army was destroying whole neighborhoods.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050...2306-5018r.htm
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/econo...es/06/aid.html
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well said and for the last few days nobody has the balls to comment. Keep up the good work
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07-04-2006, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by menanamermaid
Contrary to popular opinion, more AID in dollars has been given during the Bush Admininstration than any other. As long as there are corrupt governments in Africa, all the aid in the world will not help the citizens. Mugabe, Zimbabwe's president, has instituted programs that have a direct impact on the country's economy and its homeless. In July 2005, Mugabe had his army raze neighborhoods in Harare. According to the UN, 700,000 have become homeless. Mugabe denies that this action was caused due to his opposition's support in the urban areas. He claims that the program is designed to get rid of the 'rubbish' and high crime areas.
Also, the white farmers were ordered off their lands. The lands were confiscated by the government. Mugabe said these farms would be taken over by his people; the farms are empty and nothing is growing. The result is starvation, homelessness and death.
As Mugabe was discussing the plight of the homeless with a UN ambassador, his army was destroying whole neighborhoods.
http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20050...2306-5018r.htm
http://www.gmu.edu/departments/econo...es/06/aid.html
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Correct. And there really is no debate over this issue. We need a proposed solution.
Maybe a condition where the country that accepts the aid must also accept with it inspectors and auditors who ensure that the funds are properly handled.
This observation can only be done properly once there is an efficient, secure and transparent infrastructure. Otherwise there will always be loopholes for money to disappear.
Therefore the reform of aid donations to Africa and other third world countries must be two-fold:
1. The countries must accept western (or UN) involvement in infrastructure development if they want to recieve aid.
2. Once this infrastructure is in place, aid can be handed out to governments, allowing them autonomy within the set infrastructure as long as there are auditors and independent observers.
Sounds good.
Last edited by Happiness; 07-04-2006 at 10:25 PM.
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07-04-2006, 11:30 PM
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What About Africa?
Good question. What about it? In my view, it's not an American problem. Let the Europeans take care of their former colonies. Sudan? A British problem. Rwanda or the Congo? A Belgium problem. Etc., etc. The Europeans screwed up Africa. Let them pay the bill to clean it. Shrub screwed up Iraq, with help from the British Lord George after WW1 and Tony Blair today, so Iraq is their problem. "You broke it, you bought it" applies to them all. 
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07-05-2006, 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by veryvegan
Nobody really pays attention to them because they don't have any resources and they don't really help or hurt us one way or the other - so people just don't care. It's sad - any part of the world that we aren't directly interested in, we just forget about.
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Actually they have quite a few resources but the instability is so great it's not beneficial to invest there. For example, Shell was drilling for oil there but some rebels caused there operation down. Do a search on this if you want, it was pretty recent.
Africa has too many problems, we would have to have a very large military presence to be effective there. The thing that sucks is that you can give all you want but those supplies are still going to get manipulated by the BS rebels and corrupt g-ments. The UN needs to get involved with a gobal effort, not U.S., but all countries becuz this is a serious humanitarian issue. I'm not talking about the UN sending a few thousand peace keepers and holding them back, they need to take serious action (i.e. 1st Gulf War). It is sad, I can't believe the world can turn a blind eye to this. I hate to say it but I actually agree with George Clooney.. 
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07-13-2006, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by veryvegan
Nobody really pays attention to them because they don't have any resources and they don't really help or hurt us one way or the other - so people just don't care. It's sad - any part of the world that we aren't directly interested in, we just forget about.
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Oh, Africa has plenty of resources; it also has plenty of dictatorial, socialistic leaders in place as well.
Mix that with the tribal mentality still in existence in many countries over there (Rwanda anyone??) and what you have is a situation where there is no stability.
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07-13-2006, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Roman
Actually they have quite a few resources but the instability is so great it's not beneficial to invest there. For example, Shell was drilling for oil there but some rebels caused there operation down. Do a search on this if you want, it was pretty recent.
Africa has too many problems, we would have to have a very large military presence to be effective there. The thing that sucks is that you can give all you want but those supplies are still going to get manipulated by the BS rebels and corrupt g-ments. The UN needs to get involved with a gobal effort, not U.S., but all countries becuz this is a serious humanitarian issue. I'm not talking about the UN sending a few thousand peace keepers and holding them back, they need to take serious action (i.e. 1st Gulf War). It is sad, I can't believe the world can turn a blind eye to this. I hate to say it but I actually agree with George Clooney.. 
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Well put, and my point as well.
George Clooney and Hollywood?? Eh, they were all pretty quiet when the Rwandan genocide was going down, so they only receive half an "atta boy" from me!
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07-14-2006, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by jimmyjude
Sounds like the membership of the European Union. Where is your call for them to make up for the mess THEY made there?
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we?
Today Africa is a better place for Europian influence we built most of the place for God's sake. America needs to take its share of any blame if American had not demanded slaves threBritish and Portugese would not have supplied them.
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07-14-2006, 03:25 PM
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The best and only hope for Africa was lost when colonization of it fell out of favor and the Africans felt that they were capable of self-rule.
For Africa to survive it has to be once again colonized and have civilization forced upon it.
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