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Old 05-11-2007, 10:23 AM
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There was a rather scary find made here in Oklahoma last week. Here are the news stories I found on that incident.

Chemical Vials Found At Refuge

Tuesday, May 1, 2007 Posted 10:46 a.m. (CDT)

A popular activity in a 40-acre section of the Great Salt Plains National Wildlife Refuge unveiled a dangerous discovery.

Vials found while digging for crystals at the refuge sickened a Boy Scout.

Now U.S. Army soldiers have found at least 130 glass vials containing chemical warfare agents in that remote northwestern Oklahoma wildlife refuge.

The Boy Scout found the first set of vials on April 21st.

One of the vials broke, releasing a gas that irritated the boy's eyes and lungs.

Park officials said he suffered no permanent injuries.

After the discovery, officials quickly closed the refuge's crystal digging area so that an Army chemical disposal unit could search for additional vials.

The soldiers have said the vials came from one of the more than 200,000 kits made by the military between 1929 and 1969.

The kits were used to train soldiers to identify chemical agents and attacks.

Here's a little more information, but it still doesn't cover my questions.

Chemical Warfare Agents Found at Refuge
By TIM TALLEY
Associated Press Writer

OKLAHOMA CITY — Glass vials of toxic agents once used in chemical warfare training may have been taken home as souvenirs from a popular crystal-hunting area, federal officials warned Thursday.

Authorities have found 130 of the vials at the Salt Plains National Wildlife Refuge, as well as incendiary devices that may have been intended to destroy these chemicals, U.S. Department of Fish and Wildlife spokeswoman Victoria Fox said.

A vial that came from what were known as chemical agent identification sets sickened a Boy Scout digging for crystals last week, Fox said.

"They have a potential to create an extreme irritation to your skin, your face, your eyes," she said.

The agency urged anyone who may have collected the vials or explosives to call police.

"Having these items places you, your family and your neighbors at risk," the agency said in a news release.

The military was dispatched to the refuge in northern Oklahoma last week after the Boy Scout accidentally broke one of the buried vials, exposing him to a yellowish liquid inside. The boy started coughing and the material made his eyes burn and his nose run, but he has suffered no lingering ill effects, officials said.

The vials contained diluted solutions of toxic chemicals including mustard gas, phosgene and cyanogen chloride, according to the U.S. Army Chemical Materials Agency.

Fox said officials do not know where the material came from or how long it has been in the ground. Between 1942 and 1946, the area was used as a practice bombing range by U.S. aviators.

Fox said the crystal-digging area has been closed since the first vial was found.

The wildlife refuge is home to thousands of ducks, geese and birds.
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Now, the BIG questions I have that the press didn't seem to believe were important are:

1.) Why were these vials dumped in a National Wildlife Refuge to begin with?
2.) How many were dmped there?
3.) How many could there possibly be floating around somewhere?
4.) How many other National Wildlife Refuge's have been used as dumping grounds for this sort of garbage?
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Old 05-11-2007, 10:48 AM
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Mom, you post some good questions. I didn't see that article in the paper but I hope they are able to find all the vials. But why and how did they get there?
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My biggest concern is WHO may have found them? What if one jihadist found one vial a few months ago? I can't believe they think he would have done anything other than gather all his friends to go out there with him and start "digging for crystals".

I really think Oklahomans and Americans in general have a right to know the answers to these questions.
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As anyone can tell you that has been in the military....they have a fondness...of exposing soldiers(to chemical agents)...in none leathel and small amounts...to allow the experience....should the need ever arise...Often time with non leathel chemicals they are directly exposed....Rob..no doubt...can remember the gas chamber...and how one was supposed to say his name...rank...and service number...while in direct contact with a chemical agent.....some made it through...some got sick......but the point is....just leave it up to the military...and their way of passing the buck...in relation to any given task...and perhaps it came down to a new private to dispose of this material...and this is the results...maybe he took it off base...and just dumped it. BD
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As anyone can tell you that has been in the military....they have a fondness...of exposing soldiers(to chemical agents)...in none leathel and small amounts...to allow the experience....should the need ever arise...Often time with non leathel chemicals they are directly exposed....Rob..no doubt...can remember the gas chamber...and how one was supposed to say his name...rank...and service number...while in direct contact with a chemical agent.....some made it through...some got sick......but the point is....just leave it up to the military...and their way of passing the buck...in relation to any given task...and perhaps it came down to a new private to dispose of this material...and this is the results...maybe he took it off base...and just dumped it. BD
BD, I am thinking that these vials were marked for destruction and someone grabbed them before it could happen. Maybe the person that took them, got sick and then just dumped them to get them out of his home?
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BD, I am thinking that these vials were marked for destruction and someone grabbed them before it could happen. Maybe the person that took them, got sick and then just dumped them to get them out of his home?
It’s not really mentioned in these two articles but they also found several incendiary devices with the vials. Notice they did say if anyone found "explosives" too.

Are you beginning to wonder like me if these vials really had anything to do with some old military testing kits but were instead stolen from somewhere and hidden out there by someone who planned to return and pick them up later? I'm having a very difficult time believing that all this sutff has been buried out there in what is described as a "popular crystal-hunting area" for 60 years and just now got found by some boy scout.

We’ve gotten stranger tales from the government to cover up attempted terrorist attacks.
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Spooky how mom adams knows all about jihadist and more then homeland security knows. maybe she and kix are out there in the desert trying to find those crystals before osama finds them. o sorry i forgot bush does not care about osama so maybe its other jihadists that planted those crystals for the boyscouts.
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Spooky how mom adams knows all about jihadist and more then homeland security knows. maybe she and kix are out there in the desert trying to find those crystals before osama finds them. o sorry i forgot bush does not care about osama so maybe its other jihadists that planted those crystals for the boyscouts.
Spooky, you are saying that you believe Homeland Security actually knows something? If I had to put some money on who knows more about Homeland Security----Mom Adams or Michael Chertoff I'd put my money on Mom Adams. I'll bet Mom Adams knows to close off the southern border and Michael Chertoff hasn't figured that out yet.
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