Thread: Can Any Of You Emo-Political Bullshit Artists...

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

how can something be a failure when its goals are met months and months before they're forecasted to be met?

It's a failure when the dealers had to opt out of it early because the government hasn't made good on it's promise to reimburse them.

Originally Posted by Bill E. Bob

Meanwhile, car dealers have opted out of the program because they can't afford to wait for Obama to eventually send them a check. Maybe he'll do it when he gets back from vacation.

Originally Posted by Back Atcha

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. They'll take losses to move inventory and boost liquid assets, but they won't do it because...

Got a link? I think it's bullshit.

I think it's more hysterical reactionary emo-ism. In fact, I know it is. But, let's see your source for this info, pick any one.

Originally Posted by Bill E. Bob

The Associated Press: NY dealers pull out of clunkers program


NY dealers pull out of clunkers program
By DAN STRUMPF (AP) – 2 days ago

NEW YORK — Hundreds of auto dealers in the New York area have withdrawn from the government's Cash for Clunkers program, citing delays in getting reimbursed by the government, a dealership group said Wednesday.
The Greater New York Automobile Dealers Association, which represents dealerships in the New York metro area, said about half its 425 members have left the program because they cannot afford to offer more rebates. They're also worried about getting repaid.
"(The government) needs to move the system forward and they need to start paying these dealers," said Mark Schienberg, the group's president. "This is a cash-dependent business."
The program offers up to $4,500 to shoppers who trade in vehicles getting 18 mpg or less for a more fuel-efficient car or truck. Dealers pay the rebates out of pocket, then must wait to be reimbursed by the government. But administrative snags and heavy paperwork have created a backlog of unpaid claims.
Schienberg said the group's dealers have been repaid for only about 2 percent of the clunkers deals they've made so far.
Many dealers have said they are worried they won't get repaid at all, while others have waited so long to get reimbursed they don't have the cash to fund any more rebates, Schienberg said.
"The program is a great program in the sense that it's creating a lot of floor traffic that a lot of dealers haven't seen in a long time," he said.
"But it's in the hands of this enormous bureaucracy and regulatory agency," he added. "If they don't get out of their own way, this program is going to be a huge failure."
The program is administered by the Department of Transportation. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said Wednesday that dealers will be repaid for the clunkers deals they have completed.
"I know dealers are frustrated. They're going to get their money," LaHood told reporters. He said the Obama administration would soon announce how much longer the $3 billion car incentive program will last.
Through early Wednesday, auto dealers have made clunkers deals worth $1.81 billion, resulting in 435,102 new car sales, according to the DOT.

Associated Press Writer Ken Thomas contributed to this report from Washington.

Originally Posted by Back Atcha

Good god, pulling good posts out of you guys is like pulling teeth on a... rhino.

You doubted what I 'said', asked for proof and I presented it. What more do you want?

Ok, very compelling stuff. Probably the least skewing I've ever seen out of you.

I am known for providing reliable links which verify my assertions.

However, the quote, "could be a hige failure, if"... and, "the program is a great program".... do not speak to your assertion that it IS a failure, but that it might become so, if...

It is indeed unfortunate that these dealers in NY are feeling the pinch. Is this an isolated case? What was the industry groups position on re-funding the program after the first cash ran out? Not yours, theirs.

Kansas City: Auto dealers await their clunker cash - Kansas City Star

NY City: The Associated Press: NY dealers pull out of clunkers program

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

so long?!?!

it only started last month.

don't you get 30+/-) days to pay your bills? I do.

The following is an example of your lack of credibility:

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

the program is OVER

it's like somebody in Trenton today deciding they're not going to fight WWII any more

Enough said.

Originally Posted by Bill E. Bob

I am known for providing reliable links which verify my assertions.

really?

I've been waiting all day for you to provide examples of words that were not 'made up.'

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

really?

I've been waiting all day for you to provide examples of words that were not 'made up.'

Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

really?

Yep.

I've been waiting all day for you to provide examples of words that were not 'made up.'

I provided evidence that the word 'homophobia' is a bullshit word invented by heterophobes.

Originally Posted by Bill E. Bob

I provided evidence that the word 'homophobia' is a bullshit word invented by heterophobes.

YOu did no such thing.
You simply gave examples of other "made up" words.
You condemned the word "homophobia" as a "made up" word (I see now you're using the word "invented.")
I just want some examples of words that are NOT made up - or, invented.
Surely there must be others.
Perhaps some of the words in this very post were "made up?"

Originally Posted by tristanrobin

YOu did no such thing.
You simply gave examples of other "made up" words.
You condemned the word "homophobia" as a "made up" word (I see now you're using the word "invented.")
I just want some examples of words that are NOT made up - or, invented.
Surely there must be others.
Perhaps some of the words in this very post were "made up?"

Wrong. I gave dozens of examples of phobias, all of which are irrational fears of things. Homophobia is a bullshit word, people aren't afraid of faggots.

By the way, when are you going to concede that you don't know what the fuck you are talking about concerning the Cash for Clunkers topic?

I'm not conceding something that isn't true.

And, as you seem to get a little quiver and thrill from distorting the intent of posts and twisting facts, I don't have much interest in any discussion with you.

There are more than enough people who aren't disingenuous to discuss issues with to take time up with you.