Childless Slag Dem wants spanking ban

George O Well · #11 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyofmts

George; we have raised 2 productive, intelligent, community giving, respectful daughters. I am proud of that.

>>>I have done the same, but with sons. All four would have been productive, intelligent, community giving and respectful, even without the spankings.

Deadshot · #12 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007, 12:14 PM

I've got two girls, 9 & 11, and we still threaten a spanking now and then, but haven't had to come through on that threat in 5 years. The difference is between a spanking and a beating. IMHO, we already have a law to cover that, Assault.

oceanbreeze · #13 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007, 12:21 PM

Abuse vs. discipline. Simple. I don't feel guilty about discplining my children. If more children were disciplined our prisons wouldn't be overpopulated now.

Deadshot · #14 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ladyofmts

Abuse vs. discipline. Simple. I don't feel guilty about discplining my children. If more children were disciplined our prisons wouldn't be overpopulated now.

You may be going a little to far in your prison analogy, but overall I agree. Discipline is a requirement of childhood, abuse deserves punishment.

oceanbreeze · #15 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007, 03:33 PM

Ok..I exaggerated. But found this interesting about prison populations.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070121/...rison_deaths_1

fenianforever1689 · #16 (**permalink**) 01-21-2007, 04:19 PM

The funniest thing to me is that this is a childless woman.

She should be introducing some kind of fertility legislation before she starts expounding on how to raise children.

rob · #17 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007, 06:34 AM

The whole point is that goverment shouldn't be telling parents how to discpline their children. Children should be taught that there are limits and that they are loved. If you love a child, you will discpline and teach the child how to live in society.

Deadshot · #18 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by rob

The whole point is that goverment shouldn't be telling parents how to discpline their children. Children should be taught that there are limits and that they are loved. If you love a child, you will discpline and teach the child how to live in society.

C'mon rob, you're over the age of 10, you know there are bad parents out there. The reason the gov. gets involved, in my case the law enforcement arm of the government, is because some parents have absolutely no clue. Law enforcement does not want to get involved in any case with a child and parent at odds, but we have to some times. As government officials it's part of the job.

My point is that the government has ALWAYS been involved in "telling parents how to discipline their children" because they have ALWAYS been parents who weren't good at it.

Areyouforreal · #19 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

>>>I have done the same, but with sons. All four would have been productive, intelligent, community giving and respectful, even without the spankings.

So you spanked but now that your kids are raised it is wrong? Typical liberal hypocrit. "I can but you can't"
News flash GoW spanking is not beating.
Raise you kids how you want to and I'll do the same.

Deadshot · #20 (**permalink**) 01-22-2007, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Areyouforreal

So you spanked but now that your kids are raised it is wrong? Typical liberal hypocrit. "I can but you can't"
News flash GoW spanking is not beating.
Raise you kids how you want to and I'll do the same.

But here's the rub, there is no other legal activity wear one gets to use a belt to "spank" or "beat" another person. My Dad used the belt with both my sister and I, but I have not with my children deeming it over the line behavior. I don't think my dad was evil or bad and I love him dearly, I just would not use the belt on my kids.

But I do remember getting a D on a report card when I was 12 and not being able to sit down for two days after the "spanking." Today, that would be child abuse. This is a police officer with over a decade of experience telling you this. So what is acceptable to some, and what was acceptable at one time, is not acceptable to all and right now.

I have arrested parents who have "spanked" there kids, just as my father "spanked" me, with a belt and they've raise welts on their kids bottoms and, though they haven't gone to jail, I scared the crap out of them and they toned it down.

That's the problem with this issue, AYFR, "Raise you kids how you want to and I'll do the same" means a good slap on the butt to get their attention and/or punish them to me - to someone else it means get the belt or switch and hit a little harder - to yet someone else it means a good beatin.

Going back to my opening statement, I could slap my wife's ass - spanking her - (if she'd let me

) and would not be arrested for that. But if I was to hit her hard enough to raise a welt, or cause bruising or with an object like a belt or switch I'd be subject to arrest for assault. If I did any of those things to you, AYFR, even if you let me spank you

, I could get into a lot of trouble. Physical violence is not accepted anywhere in our culture, there are prices to pay - UNLESS BOTH PARTIES ACCEPT THE RISKS (a la football, boxing, etc.)

So play it off as a Liberal thing, I personally think spanking is fine and am quite Liberal, but there is more then meets the eye in this debate. For each story you bring forward of the mother swatting her son for acting up and is arrested, I can bring up one of a "loving" father beating his son and calling it "spanking." Like most things in life this isn't a black and white issue, but one with many shades of gray.