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Old 06-04-2008, 01:39 PM
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Less cancer, less 2nd hand smoke, I'm a happy camper.
that is more like Just Us ... not JUSTICE ...

Your right to freedom is more of a right than a smokers right to freedom ...
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Old 06-04-2008, 02:10 PM
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that is more like Just Us ... not JUSTICE ...

Your right to freedom is more of a right than a smokers right to freedom ...
Every one wins when people quit smoking.
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Old 06-04-2008, 03:54 PM
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Every one wins when people quit smoking.
and who do you think you are to force anyones right to abide by your own standards?

THAT is not freedom ...
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and who do you think you are to force anyones right to abide by your own standards?

THAT is not freedom ...
Financial freedom from the cost of cigarettes, health care, ect.
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what about the social freedom from socialists who have NO right to call themselves PRO FREEDOM ...

FUCK YOUR STANDARDS ...

you better be my wife and treating me well before I willingly give you the right to suggest to me what I can or can NOT do with my health ...

I pay my OWN medical bills ... so stay the heck out of my business ...

You want to stop something that can effect insurance costs ... stop the spread of HIV at ALL COST

... Stop the butt buddy crap ...
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what about the social freedom from socialists who have NO right to call themselves PRO FREEDOM ...

FUCK YOUR STANDARDS ...

you better be my wife and treating me well before I willingly give you the right to suggest to me what I can or can NOT do with my health ...

I pay my OWN medical bills ... so stay the heck out of my business ...

You want to stop something that can effect insurance costs ... stop the spread of HIV at ALL COST

... Stop the butt buddy crap ...
Touche.

I normally enjoy your writing.
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Touche.

I normally enjoy your writing.
just for the record ... I am an ex smoker ...

and hate the stench of it ...

... but it isn't right to tell someone else how to care for their own life ...

It is theirs .... no matter if they do or don't care about it ...

Every time a LAW is made a RIGHT is lost ...

If a person wants to pay a bunch on taxes to use their cigarettes who are we to say they can't?

Sorry if I imploded a bit ... but it's been a screwed up day with some messed up situations .... sorry (darn Italian temper)
and HBO is playing that damn movie RECOUNT about Gore and the hanging chad crap ... which is another sore spot

anyway - I quit when I was ready
That was after nearly 40 years of smoking (remember buying a packs for a quarter) & just dropped it!
I still have 1/2 a cigarette in the ashtray ... look at it every day ...
Left it there in case I change my mind ...

Also; my grandfather died from cancer ...

He smoked from the age of 16 to mid 80's ...

the cancer he got was a spider cancer in the brain with no direct connection to cigarettes ...

The Point Is: If a person wants to take THAT CHANCE or any other chance - it's their right to ...

these laws effect more than a cigarette smoking opportunity ...

Look at the smoker who spends his OWN personal money to open a restaurant
  1. to be told he has to smoke outside
  2. (in some states) can NOT provide for the customers who smoke which he may want to cater to ...
If a non smoker has rights - so should smokers!

We are dealing with 200 plus years of politicians making laws ... that's what they do and that is why we are in such a mess today!
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Thanks, Joe.
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That was also my question. The outcome is so obvious you have to wonder just who the New York government is supporting. This certainly makes no money for NY but does for organized crime. This would be like a Security company selling locks but no keys to homeowners and then giving the keys to burglars
In New England, the name of the organized crime unit is called the State of New Hampshire.

The classic story was of the governor of NH having Mass State Troopers arrested for loitering on NH State property as they attempted to identify the criminal smugglers, also known as Mass residents shopping in NH.
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Old 06-06-2008, 01:16 PM
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just for the record ... I am an ex smoker ...

and hate the stench of it ...

... but it isn't right to tell someone else how to care for their own life ...

It is theirs .... no matter if they do or don't care about it ...

Every time a LAW is made a RIGHT is lost ...

If a person wants to pay a bunch on taxes to use their cigarettes who are we to say they can't?

Sorry if I imploded a bit ... but it's been a screwed up day with some messed up situations .... sorry (darn Italian temper)
and HBO is playing that damn movie RECOUNT about Gore and the hanging chad crap ... which is another sore spot

anyway - I quit when I was ready
That was after nearly 40 years of smoking (remember buying a packs for a quarter) & just dropped it!
I still have 1/2 a cigarette in the ashtray ... look at it every day ...
Left it there in case I change my mind ...

Also; my grandfather died from cancer ...

He smoked from the age of 16 to mid 80's ...

the cancer he got was a spider cancer in the brain with no direct connection to cigarettes ...

The Point Is: If a person wants to take THAT CHANCE or any other chance - it's their right to ...

these laws effect more than a cigarette smoking opportunity ...

Look at the smoker who spends his OWN personal money to open a restaurant
  1. to be told he has to smoke outside
  2. (in some states) can NOT provide for the customers who smoke which he may want to cater to ...
If a non smoker has rights - so should smokers!

We are dealing with 200 plus years of politicians making laws ... that's what they do and that is why we are in such a mess today!
So, you think that smoking is safe and insurers setting rates higher for smokers is discrimination against smokers that should be prohibited?
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