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Old 05-22-2008, 08:14 AM
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House override of Bush veto turns into Democratic embarrassment.

WASHINGTON - The House overwhelmingly rejected President Bush's veto Wednesday of a $290 billion farm bill, but what should have been a stinging defeat for the president became an embarrassment for Democrats.

Only hours before the House's 316-108 vote, Bush had vetoed the five-year measure, saying it was too expensive and gave too much money to wealthy farmers when farm incomes are high. The Senate then was expected to follow suit quickly.

Action stalled, however, after the discovery that Congress had omitted a 34-page section of the bill when lawmakers sent the massive measure to the White House.

That means Bush vetoed a different bill from the one Congress passed, raising questions that the eventual law would be unconstitutional. Republicans objected when Democrats proposed passing the missing section separately and sending that to Bush.

In order to avoid those potential problems, House Democrats hoped to pass the entire bill, again, on Thursday under expedited rules usually reserved for unopposed legislation. The Senate was expected to follow suit. The correct version would then be sent to Bush under a new bill number for another expected veto.

Lawmakers also will have to pass an extension of current farm law, which expires Friday.

"We will have to repass the whole thing, as will the Senate," said Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y. "We can't let the farm bill just die."

The White House, almost gleefully, seized on the fumble and said the mix-up could give Congress time to fix the "bloated" bill.

"We are trying to understand the ramifications of this congressional farm bill foul-up. We haven't found a precedent for a congressional blunder of this magnitude," said Scott Stanzel, a White House spokesman. "It looks like it may be back to square one for them."

A spokesman for House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., shot back.

"Partisan sniping won't solve this clerical error that even the White House failed to catch," said Drew Hammill.

The legislation includes election-year subsidies for farmers and food stamps for the poor — spending that lawmakers could promote when they are back in their districts over the Memorial Day weekend.

The veto was the 10th of Bush's presidency. Congress so far has overridden him once, on a water projects bill.

With Bush at record lows in the polls in the waning months of his term, it was fellow Republicans who joined with majority Democrats in rejecting the veto. GOP lawmakers are anxious about their own prospects less than six months from the Election Day.

About two-thirds of the bill would pay for nutrition programs such as food stamps; about $40 billion is for farm subsidies; and additional $30 billion would go to farmers to idle their land and to other environmental programs.

Congressional Republicans overwhelmingly abandoned Bush in voting to pass the bill last week, overlooking its cost amid public concern about the weak economy and high gas and grocery prices. Supporters praised the spending on food stamps and emergency food aid.

Before the problem with the bill was discovered, White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said the legislation could make the situation worse for struggling families.

"Members are going to have to think about how they will explain these votes back in their districts at a time when prices are on the rise," she said. "People are not going to want to see their taxes increase."

Bush said the legislation needlessly would expand government. He cited one new program in the bill that would pay more to corn growers and others if agriculture revenue were to drop significantly in the next five years. This program, he said, could add billions of dollars to the cost of the bill.

He added that minor cutbacks to subsidies for wealthy farmers were not sufficient.

"At a time when net farm income is projected to increase by more than $28 billion in 1 year, the American taxpayer should not be forced to subsidize that group of farmers who have adjusted gross incomes of up to $1.5 million," the president said in his veto message.

Wednesday's snag stemmed from an error made while printing the legislation on parchment before sending it to Bush.

Democratic Rep. Steny H. Hoyer of Maryland, the majority leader, said the section in question — which deals with trade and international food aid programs — was never printed. Indeed, the final, 628-page version of the bill jumps straight from "Title II" on conservation programs to "Title IV" on nutrition programs.

The underlying bill would make small cuts to direct payments, which are distributed to some farmers no matter how much they grow. It also would eliminate some payments to individuals with more than $750,000 in annual farm income — or married farmers who make more than $1.5 million.

Individuals who make more than $500,000 or couples who make more than $1 million jointly in nonfarm income also would not be eligible for subsidies.

Under current law, there is no income limit for farmers, and married couples who make less than one-fourth of their income from farming will not receive subsidies if their joint income exceeds $5 million.

The farm bill also would:

_Boost nutrition programs, including food stamps and emergency domestic food aid, by more than $10 billion over 10 years. It would expand a program to provide fresh fruits and vegetables to schoolchildren.

_Cut a per-gallon ethanol tax credit for refiners from 51 cents to 45 cents. The credit supports the blending of fuel with the corn-based additive. More money would go to cellulosic ethanol, made from plant matter.

_Require that meats and other fresh foods carry labels with their country of origin.

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Associated Press writer Deb Riechmann contributed to this report.
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Old 05-22-2008, 08:16 AM
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If those fuckers would stop adding riders...

and I mean all of them.
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If those fuckers would stop adding riders...

and I mean all of them.
Got to replace the big spenders.
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Got to replace the big spenders.
Its easy to buy power and influence.....as long as you have a blank check drawn upon the account and good credit of "WE THE PEOPLE". The lib's do not care about the people in their pretense of "wealth redistribution" for the purpose of serving the people, they care about the power that comes from "holding the purse strings" as evidenced by the continual confinement of the majority of black Americans to the lower platform of society by this "power of the purse". Used in the amount of some "10 trillion dollars" over the last several decades. Does anyone see any "social elevation" of the impoverished during this time period? But, surely you see the same tried faces of "career politicians" gaining their seat time and time again by holding out this entitlement carrot on a stick....the exact same ideology presented by the "Black Messiah" in wanting to deal with rouge nations like Iran, as apparently he wishes to "purchase" their promise to be good and play by the rules....go figure. You can not purchase "respect", this has to be earned. Just look at the example of Black America....do they respect this government that continues to support their livelihood? Why of course they do.....just listen to the good Reverend Wright, Jesse Jackson....or even "Mary Magadalene" the wantabe first lady. Does she "appreciate" the fact of having an Ivy League education provided by this nation? Of course she does, as she declares...."This is the FIRST TIME in my adult life that I am proud to be an American". BD

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No, gotta replace all of them, every single one.
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The President had the line item veto but never used it. Federal laws should be just like some state laws require, no riders to the bill. However, as long as the income tax is in effect we all want bills passed that benefit us. That way we get some of our tax dollars back. Everybody wants to cut the other fellow's bill but not their own.

We will collaspe into socialism before we stop the rampant spending
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No, gotta replace all of them, every single one.
I'm all for it.
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The President had the line item veto but never used it. Federal laws should be just like some state laws require, no riders to the bill. However, as long as the income tax is in effect we all want bills passed that benefit us. That way we get some of our tax dollars back. Everybody wants to cut the other fellow's bill but not their own.

We will collaspe into socialism before we stop the rampant spending
Well said!
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The President had the line item veto but never used it. Federal laws should be just like some state laws require, no riders to the bill. However, as long as the income tax is in effect we all want bills passed that benefit us. That way we get some of our tax dollars back. Everybody wants to cut the other fellow's bill but not their own.

We will collaspe into socialism before we stop the rampant spending
We are about 40 years past the point. BD
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The underlying bill would make small cuts to direct payments, which are distributed to some farmers no matter how much they grow. It also would eliminate some payments to individuals with more than $750,000 in annual farm income — or married farmers who make more than $1.5 million.

Individuals who make more than $500,000 or couples who make more than $1 million jointly in nonfarm income also would not be eligible for subsidies.

Under current law, there is no income limit for farmers, and married couples who make less than one-fourth of their income from farming will not receive subsidies if their joint income exceeds $5 million.
Speaking of incompetence, Bush called for extending the current bill , because it was outrageous to give rich people farm subsidies, because people earning $1.5M don't need it. But that means he want people earning a billion dollars to get farm subsidies. Talk about incompetent - Bush doesn't know that $1.5M is less than $1B or $10B.
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