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05-15-2008, 10:55 AM
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Democrats protect OPEC!
Democrats want to attack US oil companies and protect OPEC. 
Americans want change!
The real Nancy Pelosi multi millionaire resort dining :: NNSeek
Author: CBCB
Date: May 5, 2007 20:54
The real Nancy Pelosi - multi-millionaire, resort, dining and winery
baroness who profits from non-union and illegal labor. Now she pushes more
taxes on U.S. oil companies - not OPEC oil producers.
Posted on November 10th, 2006.
Why doesn't the LA Times or San Francisco Chronicle write about this?
By Mick Gregory
This new tax on oil is not unlike Chavez taking over control of private
industries. Even liberal Californians voted down an identical energy tax
just last November. So what does Pelosi do? She pushes through a more
expensive energy tax in the first 100 hours without debate. This is similar
to Hugo Chavez's progressive politics. You think? What's the difference?
The millions of dollars that Democrat supporters spent to pass Proposition
87 to promote an increase in the extraction tax on crude pumped from
California oil wells wasn't enough to win over the state's voters last
November.
The hotly contested ballot measure, which proposed to impose a new tax on
oil production to fund a range of alternative energy programs, was backed by
45%% of the voters, while 55%% opposed it, according official returns.
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05-17-2008, 12:54 AM
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Originally Posted by wow
Democrats want to attack US oil companies and protect OPEC. 
Americans want change!
The real Nancy Pelosi multi millionaire resort dining :: NNSeek
Author: CBCB
Date: May 5, 2007 20:54
The real Nancy Pelosi - multi-millionaire, resort, dining and winery
baroness who profits from non-union and illegal labor. Now she pushes more
taxes on U.S. oil companies - not OPEC oil producers.
Posted on November 10th, 2006.
Why doesn't the LA Times or San Francisco Chronicle write about this?
By Mick Gregory
This new tax on oil is not unlike Chavez taking over control of private
industries. Even liberal Californians voted down an identical energy tax
just last November. So what does Pelosi do? She pushes through a more
expensive energy tax in the first 100 hours without debate. This is similar
to Hugo Chavez's progressive politics. You think? What's the difference?
The millions of dollars that Democrat supporters spent to pass Proposition
87 to promote an increase in the extraction tax on crude pumped from
California oil wells wasn't enough to win over the state's voters last
November.
The hotly contested ballot measure, which proposed to impose a new tax on
oil production to fund a range of alternative energy programs, was backed by
45%% of the voters, while 55%% opposed it, according official returns.
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How does driving down demand for oil help OPEC.
The simplistic economic theory taught and used in all policy analysis by conservatives, says taxes will increase prices and reduce consumption, but consumption equals supply which means the supply from Saudi Arabia will be cut.
But because the high prices of oil will drive the capitalists to find the low tax alternatives made inside the US by US workers, that will punish OPEC with less demand from the US, and then the US will sell it to others who will cut their demand for oil punishing OPEC.
It is Bush that is rewarding OPEC.
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05-17-2008, 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by mulp
How does driving down demand for oil help OPEC.
The simplistic economic theory taught and used in all policy analysis by conservatives, says taxes will increase prices and reduce consumption, but consumption equals supply which means the supply from Saudi Arabia will be cut.
But because the high prices of oil will drive the capitalists to find the low tax alternatives made inside the US by US workers, that will punish OPEC with less demand from the US, and then the US will sell it to others who will cut their demand for oil punishing OPEC.
It is Bush that is rewarding OPEC.
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FULL OF SHIT, AS USUAL. It is the American consumer who is rewarding OPEC.
Stupid Americans are going to buy just as much gas at $6 per gal as they did at $1.50. It seems fools just will not park those damn SUV's, nor will they live closer to work. Mommy still must take little Timmy to school, because he's afraid to ride the school bus. Then she picks him up and drives him to soccer practice, two miles away. Damn people spend more time in their cars than they do at home. Stop whining about the price of oil. Just stop buying it. FOOLS.
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05-17-2008, 10:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mulp
How does driving down demand for oil help OPEC.
The simplistic economic theory taught and used in all policy analysis by conservatives, says taxes will increase prices and reduce consumption, but consumption equals supply which means the supply from Saudi Arabia will be cut.
But because the high prices of oil will drive the capitalists to find the low tax alternatives made inside the US by US workers, that will punish OPEC with less demand from the US, and then the US will sell it to others who will cut their demand for oil punishing OPEC.
It is Bush that is rewarding OPEC.
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Considering the fact that oil is in almost all products, the demand for clothing, paints, plastics etc....will not decrease in demand as the population grows.
What does decreasing gasoline consumption in the US have to do with increasingly higher demands in China?
The price of oil has almost doubled since Democrats took over Congress.
The media is afraid to tell Americans why oil all of the sudden increased in price.
This is as corrupt as the JFK assassination.
Tell me, what classifies Obama as an alternative fuel expert, considering he wants to take $10 Billion each year from the taxpayers?
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05-17-2008, 02:27 PM
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FULL OF SHIT, AS USUAL. It is the American consumer who is rewarding OPEC.
Stupid Americans are going to buy just as much gas at $6 per gal as they did at $1.50. It seems fools just will not park those damn SUV's, nor will they live closer to work. Mommy still must take little Timmy to school, because he's afraid to ride the school bus. Then she picks him up and drives him to soccer practice, two miles away. Damn people spend more time in their cars than they do at home. Stop whining about the price of oil. Just stop buying it. FOOLS.
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So, you reject economic theory of supply-demand?
The reports of energy statisitics and related topics indicate that the high price of oil is driving all sorts of demand shifts, and corresponding supply shifts.
Instead of saying "Just stop buying it. FOOLS." say "Here is an alternative to invest in and as long as the price of oil stays up for a few years, you will save money in those few years to pay for the investment, and then no matter what happens to the price of oil, you will have locked in savings, because not consuming oil is always cheaper then consuming both high and low priced oil."
Of course, one of the impacts of investing in alternatives is this investment means that your energy dollars are going to pay people in the US to make the energy, rather than paying others to plunder the oil from the ancient past with essentially no labor employed anywhere on the plant.
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05-17-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mulp
So, you reject economic theory of supply-demand?
The reports of energy statisitics and related topics indicate that the high price of oil is driving all sorts of demand shifts, and corresponding supply shifts.
Instead of saying "Just stop buying it. FOOLS." say "Here is an alternative to invest in and as long as the price of oil stays up for a few years, you will save money in those few years to pay for the investment, and then no matter what happens to the price of oil, you will have locked in savings, because not consuming oil is always cheaper then consuming both high and low priced oil."
Of course, one of the impacts of investing in alternatives is this investment means that your energy dollars are going to pay people in the US to make the energy, rather than paying others to plunder the oil from the ancient past with essentially no labor employed anywhere on the plant.
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Supply and demand will drive price, of gasoline in this country. But I don't believe price will have a major effect on demand, at least not until the price rises above $8 to $10 mark. Americans are to stupid to stop buying gasoline, as long as its there. Hell, they have already demonstrated a willingness to wait in line for hours just to buy a few gallons.
The average American will not invest in any alternative fuel technology. Not while they can set home and whine about the government not providing it for them. Christ, most of them won't even change the oil, oil filter, and air filter on their cars, nor check the tire presure regularly.
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05-19-2008, 07:19 PM
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Supply and demand will drive price, of gasoline in this country. But I don't believe price will have a major effect on demand, at least not until the price rises above $8 to $10 mark. Americans are to stupid to stop buying gasoline, as long as its there. Hell, they have already demonstrated a willingness to wait in line for hours just to buy a few gallons.
The average American will not invest in any alternative fuel technology. Not while they can set home and whine about the government not providing it for them. Christ, most of them won't even change the oil, oil filter, and air filter on their cars, nor check the tire presure regularly.
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If people won't respond to price at less than $8 a gallon, why is demand for gasoline declining as indicated by reduced US gasoline consumption?
Why is demand up for high mileage cars and down for low mileage cars, trucks, and SUVs, if the price for gas needs to go to $8 a gallon to make people in the US change their behavior?
Why is public transportation use up along with car pooling if $8 a gallon gas is required for people to get out of their cars?
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05-19-2008, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by mulp
If people won't respond to price at less than $8 a gallon, why is demand for gasoline declining as indicated by reduced US gasoline consumption?
Why is demand up for high mileage cars and down for low mileage cars, trucks, and SUVs, if the price for gas needs to go to $8 a gallon to make people in the US change their behavior?
Why is public transportation use up along with car pooling if $8 a gallon gas is required for people to get out of their cars?
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Demand for gasoline has declined 1.1% from the 2007 demand. The same amount of decline experienced in each of the past three recessions. IT IS NOT A PRICE DRIVEN DECLINE. Look it up, Mulp.
Americans will buy gasoline with their grocery money, before they will stop driving.
Gasoline demand, Four Week Average.
o4-25-08 - 9.257 Mil. Barrels per day
05-02-08 - 9.263
05-09-08 - 9.265
05-11-07 - 9.293 Mil Barrels per day
This Week In Petroleum Gasoline Section
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05-21-2008, 12:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Demand for gasoline has declined 1.1% from the 2007 demand. The same amount of decline experienced in each of the past three recessions. IT IS NOT A PRICE DRIVEN DECLINE. Look it up, Mulp.
Americans will buy gasoline with their grocery money, before they will stop driving.
Gasoline demand, Four Week Average.
o4-25-08 - 9.257 Mil. Barrels per day
05-02-08 - 9.263
05-09-08 - 9.265
05-11-07 - 9.293 Mil Barrels per day
This Week In Petroleum Gasoline Section
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What recession?
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05-21-2008, 02:22 AM
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What recession?
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Are you implying we are not in a recession?
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