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Old 05-07-2008, 10:47 PM
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As long as congress continues to block drilling and new refineries fuel prices will go up.
In 1982, soon after Reagan was elected, the number of refineries in the US was 301.

In the next decade, 120 refineries were shutdown and dismantled; that's one refinery dismantled per month for Reagan and Bush.

During the Clinton administration, the number closed dropped to less than three a year.

During Dubya's administration, one refinery per year has been dismantled, and today there are only 149 refineries.

Why would Congress need to block building refineries when the oil industry is dismantling them because they are not competitive and are losing money?

As far blocking drilling, explain why Exxon hasn't developed the Thomson Point field that is right outside ANWR? They have had that lease for three decades, filed and then abandoned more than 25 development plans. When Alaska revoked the lease, Exxon is suing to get it back, promising that it will actually implement their 27th development plan, bringing the field into production by 2014.

I'm sure that the Exxon management sees the Thomson Point lease, and I'm sure others as well, as being worth more if the are listed as assets for the stockholders, and not developed so that Exxon keeps showing that it has oil reserves for the future.

Besides, why develop oil in Alaska where Exxon would be forced to pay the State a big share of the huge profits they would get, when they can extract from Louisiana which is prohibited by Federal law from taxing the oil produced there.

The Bush family in the story of oil is telling. Bush the elder went to the House of Saud begging for them to pump more oil to drive down the price during the 80s. In the 90s, Bush the elder went to the House of Saud begging for them to cut back production to drive up the price of oil because US oil producers were losing money big time. Then this year, Bush the dumber went to the House of Saud begging for them to pump more oil to drive down the price of oil.

But again, the capitalists were so smart in the 90s when they laid off all the oil engineers, all the oil technicians, sold off all the oil rigs, and basically shutdown most drilling in the US and really cut deep into drilling capacity. Drilling is required even for already developed fields to maximize production over the long term, but that is costly, and in the 90s the oil companies stopped reworking the fields in order to increase profits. This century, the people and equipment is in short supply, so reworking the existing fields and expanding them is slowed as new people are trained and equipment acquired. But hey, capitalists know that people are all interchangable and just a commodity; if the Bush immigration train hadn't been derailed, the capitalists would just bring Chinese coolie oil engineers who would work harder and cheaper. Bush betrayed by Pat Buchanon.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:09 PM
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Is there anybody here who understands that we use oil for many, many things besides producing fuel?

It doesn't matter if you switch all energy away from fossil fuels, it doesn't matter if we run everything an alternative fuels.

We will still need billions of barrels of oil to produce, roads, roofs, everything plastic, your tires, and a million other products.

We need to drill for oil in the U.S. if soley to eliminate our mideast fuel consumption.

Yes we should pursue every viable alternate fuel and energy source out there - but we'll still need oil.
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Old 05-07-2008, 11:13 PM
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Is there anybody here who understands that we use oil for many, many things besides producing fuel?



Yes we should pursue every viable alternate fuel and energy source out there - but we'll still need oil.
yes, oil has many BETTER uses than for fuel!!!!

I agree on the last sentence as well....
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I heard another *Go Green* person the other day say- "We need to have every be 100% electric and not drill anymore natural gas wells"...

The ignorance is epidemic. I asked them if they knew where our electricity came from. They thought and thought and thought and finally said- "From tons of sources but I'm not sure where ours comes from". I said- It comes from natural gas... lol
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Over the past 30 years:

Which party blocked the development of new sources of petroleum?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling in ANWR?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off the coast of Florida?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off of the east coast?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off of the west coast?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off the Alaskan coast?-- Democrat
Which party blocked building oil refineries?-- Democrat
Which party blocked clean nuclear energy production?-- Democrat
Which party blocked clean coal production?-- Democrat
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Over the past 30 years:

Which party blocked the development of new sources of petroleum?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling in ANWR?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off the coast of Florida?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off of the east coast?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off of the west coast?-- Democrat
Which party blocked drilling off the Alaskan coast?-- Democrat
Which party blocked building oil refineries?-- Democrat
Which party blocked clean nuclear energy production?-- Democrat
Which party blocked clean coal production?-- Democrat
I think trying to blame everything on the Damnocraps is simply partisan BS.

Why are there more Nuke power plants in predominantly blue states than red states?

State: Bush stresses his commitment against oil drilling

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On June 2, after the Florida Cabinet agreed to buy the in-shore drilling rights from a private company, Bush had said he hopes to maintain a 100-mile buffer.

"A hundred miles is a pretty extensive boundary that ... would be a victory over the long term," Bush said then.

And Tuesday, after U.S. Sen. Bill Nelson, D-Fla., threatened to filibuster unless a provision to allow more gas and oil drilling closer to Florida was removed from the Senate energy bill, Bush said he appreciated the effort but didn't approve of the filibuster.

"I don't know that the energy bill will have in it, but at a minimum we ought to have a 100-mile buffer around our state where there won't be offshore drilling," he told reporters then.

His comments alarmed environmentalists, as well as Nelson and Rep. Jim Davis, D-Tampa, who have been fighting recent attempts in Congress to open the eastern gulf to drilling. This week, Nelson and Republican Sen. Mel Martinez won a provision in the Senate energy bill to protect the waters off Florida, but other proposals are pending.

Meanwhile, Interior Secretary Gale Norton also has stated, in a March letter to Martinez, that the Bush administration's policy is to allow no new oil or gas leases within just 100 miles off Florida's coast.
Actually, it was the Con who was against drilling offshore Florida and his lying brother got him to change his stance:

Bush's Lied about No drilling in FLA!

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In October, presidential candidate George W. Bush said, "I'm going to work with your governor on offshore drilling here in Florida. We're both against it."

A year earlier, at the Republican Party state convention, candidate Bush said, "I would work with Gov. [Jeb] Bush to support an offshore drilling ban in Florida."

And a few weeks before Election Day and with his brother present, Bush, the candidate, told the Sentinel's editorial board: "We won't explore in Florida or California."
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I heard another *Go Green* person the other day say- "We need to have every be 100% electric and not drill anymore natural gas wells"...

The ignorance is epidemic. I asked them if they knew where our electricity came from. They thought and thought and thought and finally said- "From tons of sources but I'm not sure where ours comes from". I said- It comes from natural gas... lol
One should not point a finger of ignorance when there are three pointing back...roughly only 20% of our electric production comes from natural gas...

Electric Power Annual - Net Generation by Energy Source by Type of Producer

I'm still waiting for you to provide "evidence" to substantiate your claim regarding shut down wells on that other thread.
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I see, oil prices have doubled since Pelosi's trip to the Mideast and there is no need for an investigation?
that is a straight up lie, if they had doubled the price would be over 7 bucks a gallon. don't lie
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Ever seen one of these in the oilfields?

I've seen a couple.

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