Sorry Realist but on this Carson is right.
They have for decades wanted the holy grail of perceived scarcity.

Also they use the 'liberals' don't want new refineries as a convenient excuse not to create them.

Here's another little detail when it comes to building one of these Texas city refineries many of the people who bitch about it have nice homes & property that they don't want to go down in resale value & often times they are conservative.

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I started this Post on a 100 MPG car now available...I've been castigated, belittled, and hounded by the least mentally capable representatives of the "Glorious Left" ...Those that are at fault for over 20 years of handicapping America in finding new Energy Sources...

Then you come along Crow.... How shall I add you to the Leftist Arguement against me?

Pro, or Con to a 100MPG vehicle?

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On the 100 MPG car I am not against you! I have communicated repeatedly how I am ALL for new technology & high mileage vehicles.

I was ONLY & I REPEAT ONLY speaking about the point Carson made in regards to the Petroleum industry. It was not about better vehicle technology.

Shit there is a company out of Detroit that took a Saturn Hybrid & did some basic modifications & added some extra batteries & for roughly a couple of grand got the vehicle to get 150 MPG. He was showcasing it during the Auto show to communicate to the Auto industry that this can be done NOW. He said if he could not get them to do it he would after market it for people.

I have also communicated about the Air car & incorporating a battery with a compressor so that as it gets low you could refill the tank with air. In essence getting unlimited mileage without gas.

I have communicated REPEATEDLY about the new techniques for bacteria that creates hydrogen for hydrogen vehicles.

I have communicated my support of Algae as an amazing way to make bio fuels, so we do not have to destroy our food supply.

I have communicated repeatedly about the Scuderi Engine that uses a vacuum system that can double the output of existing combustion engines.

I have communicated repeatedly about a company in Texas that has created a new type of battery that charges practically instantly & lasts 10 times longer than current batteries.

Please learn to pay attention instead of assuming empty & vacuous shit.

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I stand corrected Crow. You've made some very good points, and welcome additions...

Take care.

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Everyone does know don't they that we use oil for more than just gasoline?

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Oh yes. Most correctly. Couldn't type right now, because of it. It will never go away. it would be nice to limit it to a place that is more balance within the over economic foot print.

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Nothing is illegal about modifying any car, but doing so may void some warranties, but litigation has limited any such action to only the modified parts. And many states place restrictions on registering or inspecting vehicles with modified emissions systems, but states also offer avenues for registering vehicles that do not fit the standard, such as imports, antiques, experimental, etc.

If you modify a car, any car, and you have an inspector or pass a policeman who takes exception, you will probably hear, or it strongly suggested, that the modifications are illegal, even when they are perfectly legal. For example, if you have carefully reviewed the regulations and identified the rules dealing with non-standard vehicles, and registered and inspected it in conformance with those regs, then it is legally registered and inspected, but that doesn't mean you might not end up in court having a judge making that declaration and admonishing the police officer.

What is clearly illegal for a number of reasons is the brothers buying Prius vehicles, modifying them, and then selling them as their vehicle. They run into the same issues that rappers do with sampling, etc. So, the standard solution is that they serve customers who bring their Prius to them for modification. Of course, one can always sell used vehicles and parts as long as they are represented as used, and if appropriate, modified in some way.

In general, there are major obstacles to introducing new vehicles to the market. The Segway is an example of a product that has created all sorts of debates over how these in-between vehicles should be treated. The Segway is prohibited, like all sorts of other vehicles, from certain roads because it lacks the power and speed to operate on those roads.

The restriction for the road is usually based on speed, but the vehicle speed capability is usually defined by engine power. If the engine power is less than 1-5 HP depending on State and type of vehicle, then the vehicle doesn't require registration or a license to drive, but its access to the streets is restricted to the same rules for people walking, biking, skate boarding, etc. However, these vehicles have a speed limit of 20MPH, which technically makes it illegal for a runner to exceed 20MPH in a sprint on one of these roads, and clearly makes it illegal for the kid on the bike pedalling furiously down hill to see if he can hit 40MPH. So, technically, it becomes illegal to bike or walk or run down some city streets and boulevards because a 20MPH or less vehicle is not allowed on roads with speed limits in excess of 35MPH.

On the other hand, most cities and States prohibit powered vehicles or any non-pedestrian traffic on sidewalks, with exceptions made for the handicapped.

But let's step up to the real sweet spot for the electric market, a commuter car for city-suburb commute. I think that something like half of all workers travel between 10 and 20 miles to work. Certainly some travel more and some travel less, but that 10-20 miles is the distance half the people contend with. A vehicle with 50 mile range can really handle over half the commute. To make such a vehicle cheaply, the battery pack size needs to be limited, and one way to limit it is to keep the vehicle light, and to limit the power of the engine. These two design criteria restrict the way the vehicle can be registered and where it can travel. So it ends up that it is virtually impossible to produce a car because that 2 mile stretch of road which has people entering and turning, and in many cases people biking down the road, has a 45MPH speed limit which requires a motor with at least 10HP, which then requires all sorts of safety features, which adds weight which adds costs.

What a lot of people are doing is electrifying bikes, and designing trikes, and then adding some streamlining and protection from the elements, trying to keep them close enough to bikes so the police don't object, even when they are both illegal and operating illegally. Having too much power is illegal without registration, but registration requires safety equipment, and traveling over 20MPH is illegal.

Yep. There are better uses than burning it......plastics, etc.

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There may be other alternatives for plastics as well. What is carbon fibre made from?

Also, on the same Glen Beck program he was speaking with a "futurist" (as opposed to a fortune teller). His guest was very upbeat about the advances we are making in technology. Solar power, for example, now accounts for only about 2% of our energy production. However, solar collectors are being improved to the point he saw 80% in the next twenty years would be from solar power. The same with the compressed air car.

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I will add on the off topic subject of what liberals have done, that during the Reagan-Bush administration, 12 years of conservative Republican veto power, about a third of all US refineries were shutdown and dismantled.

In 1982, the earliest year I can find data, the US had 301 refineries, but by the end of Reagan-Bush, the number of refineries had fallen to 187. And when Dubya took office, there were 155 refineries, but by 2006 it was down to 149 refineries. So, out of over 300 hundred refineries when Reagan took office, 120 refineries where closed by while Republicans held the veto power in Congress and applied the regulations on the industry.

Of course. a rational review of the facts say that the oil companies closed refineries because they were unprofitable, and they didn't try to build new refineries because it was cheaper to upgrade existing refineries, of which there were already too many, to reduce the cost of production.

And I don't know of any cases of corporate welfare to build a new refinery was opposed by liberals, not because liberals wouldn't oppose the construction of a new refinery with taxpayer dollars, but because no one tried to get government handouts to build a new refinery.

And the oil companies are not shy about asking conservatives for welfare assistance to support their profits, so one must conclude oil companies don't see profit in building a new refinery, even if the taxpayers were to pay for much of the cost. The number of refineries in the US and world wide are large enough that competition drives the profits down to bare knuckle levels. A US refinery that tries to extract high profit will find itself underbid by the House of Saud willing to sell gasoline just a little cheaper from its refineries in order to capture most of the profit while gaining market share. And the US is irrationable about shopping around for gasoline, spending $1 in gas to save two cents a gallon on a 20 gallon fillup.