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04-22-2008, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Sort of the whole contradiction behind the left these days.
Unfortunately, it is also the same contradiction behind the right these days.
Both side what the government to have more power, their only difference is what they the government to have power over.
And the stupidity of BOTH sides is that they haven't figured out that in this game, the government will get both sets of powers, and the slaves on either side will get little in return.
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You are correct, Sir.
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04-22-2008, 11:28 AM
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Agreed.
A perfect example is NOLA.
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04-22-2008, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Sort of the whole contradiction behind the left these days.
Unfortunately, it is also the same contradiction behind the right these days.
Both side what the government to have more power, their only difference is what they the government to have power over.
And the stupidity of BOTH sides is that they haven't figured out that in this game, the government will get both sets of powers, and the slaves on either side will get little in return.
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Well, that leave me out. I want the government to use the power it currently has to enforce the laws currently on the books. I'm against giving them any additional power, or authority, especially over MY health care, or wallet.
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04-22-2008, 11:33 AM
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Whatever , you give them a inch and they will take a mile.
I built a home for a retiring police chief. A elderly man, but still fit, at about 70 yrs old. He had been the police chief of a mid sized city for 26 years. While designing his home it became apparent he didn't want to retire he loved his job.
I commented to he and his wife, perhaps he should work another few years, since he seemed to want to. He told me he was leaving because the laws were so silly now days. And what they are teaching recruits at police academies is beyond silly. He said in the day you stopped some kids with beer in the car and they weren't drunk, you hauled them in , called their parents and kept it off the books.
Busted a too loud party with neighbors complaining, you didn't storm the house because you smelled pot. You told them to keep it down or you might the next time.
Now with laws and new cops you have to bust almost everybody, or they can turn the law on the cops because they didn't.
The same goes with traffic check points. These are often done with multiple agencies involved. I have friends that are cops. They don't want to hand out $45 dollar tickets because somebody didn't know their car has a turn signal out, but they are forced to at these check points.
When the check points turn into can we see your identification please, what business do you have being here messes , then you will wish you had resisted while you still had the chance.
There are times and places for identification and searches to be the norm. On public transportation for instance.
But in the main , people are innocent till found guilty and the laws of probable cause for search have served us well.
You people must lead sheltered lives. I ran a convenience store chain as one of my first jobs many moons ago. Some of the third shift women were complaining about a black, nasty mouthed cop coming on to them.
I decided to have a talk with this cop, and to my amazement he was a pig, who didn't know when to take NO for a answer. I politely told him I was going to have to ask that he confine his visits to my UDF's to short ones and please don't ask my workers to have sex with you.
He started staking out the stores. Stopping little old ladies to look at their butter milk they had just bought. Pulling cars over leaving our parking lots, for who knows what reason? After this went on two weeks and I despaired he was going to get tired of his fun and just leave . I finally decided to make a formal complaint on this cop.
To which the police chief told me good luck, he is the worst cop on the force , we have been trying to get him out for years.
I know cops. Some are great, others are total and I mean total idiots on power trips.
You let them get too much power and things will go terribly , terribly wrong.
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04-22-2008, 12:09 PM
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Whatever , you give them a inch and they will take a mile.
I built a home for a retiring police chief. A elderly man, but still fit, at about 70 yrs old. He had been the police chief of a mid sized city for 26 years. While designing his home it became apparent he didn't want to retire he loved his job.
I commented to he and his wife, perhaps he should work another few years, since he seemed to want to. He told me he was leaving because the laws were so silly now days. And what they are teaching recruits at police academies is beyond silly. He said in the day you stopped some kids with beer in the car and they weren't drunk, you hauled them in , called their parents and kept it off the books.
Busted a too loud party with neighbors complaining, you didn't storm the house because you smelled pot. You told them to keep it down or you might the next time.
Now with laws and new cops you have to bust almost everybody, or they can turn the law on the cops because they didn't.
The same goes with traffic check points. These are often done with multiple agencies involved. I have friends that are cops. They don't want to hand out $45 dollar tickets because somebody didn't know their car has a turn signal out, but they are forced to at these check points.
When the check points turn into can we see your identification please, what business do you have being here messes , then you will wish you had resisted while you still had the chance.
There are times and places for identification and searches to be the norm. On public transportation for instance.
But in the main , people are innocent till found guilty and the laws of probable cause for search have served us well.
You people must lead sheltered lives. I ran a convenience store chain as one of my first jobs many moons ago. Some of the third shift women were complaining about a black, nasty mouthed cop coming on to them.
I decided to have a talk with this cop, and to my amazement he was a pig, who didn't know when to take NO for a answer. I politely told him I was going to have to ask that he confine his visits to my UDF's to short ones and please don't ask my workers to have sex with you.
He started staking out the stores. Stopping little old ladies to look at their butter milk they had just bought. Pulling cars over leaving our parking lots, for who knows what reason? After this went on two weeks and I despaired he was going to get tired of his fun and just leave . I finally decided to make a formal complaint on this cop.
To which the police chief told me good luck, he is the worst cop on the force , we have been trying to get him out for years.
I know cops. Some are great, others are total and I mean total idiots on power trips.
You let them get too much power and things will go terribly , terribly wrong.
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Gee, Peach, maybe you and hubby should clean up a little bit. I can't remember the last time I was pulled over by a cop. But every time I make a trip to San Diego (three-four time a year), I go through a check point, coming back. I've never been ask for anything, in fact they just wave us through.
All you folks keep talking about "when this begins to happen" and "if this ever happens" you'll regret it. Guess I'm just not that distrustful of my fellow Americans, not as a whole anyway. I don't believe it will become a standard practice. Now some individuals, yeah, won't trust them beyond arms reach. Like those advocating more socialist programs or Amnesty for illegals, or religion in public schools.
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04-22-2008, 12:16 PM
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Actually Teak you just prove what a liar you are once again.
I never said hubby or I have been pulled over. I haven't had a ticket since I was a young 20 something blonde racing along in my canary yellow Datsun 280Z , and I deserved that ticket.
Hubby is a hazmat trucker who works with homeland security , all 280 lbs of hair , beard biker that he is. Hubby works with cops, he doesn't get pulled over by them often.
You really do have problems distinguishing between reality and the lies you tell don't you Teak?
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04-22-2008, 12:32 PM
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Actually Teak you just prove what a liar you are once again.
I never said hubby or I have been pulled over. I haven't had a ticket since I was a young 20 something blonde racing along in my canary yellow Datsun 280Z , and I deserved that ticket.
Hubby is a hazmat trucker who works with homeland security , all 280 lbs of hair , beard biker that he is. Hubby works with cops, he doesn't get pulled over by them often.
You really do have problems distinguishing between reality and the lies you tell don't you Teak?
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Lie? What lie bitch. Learn to fucking read. I never said you were pulled over, even if you did imply it in you rant about police abuse. You're just a dumb hick pretending to be more than white trash. It won't fly.
You've posted pictures of yourself and hubby before, and in everyone you look like refugees from a homeless shelter. Clean up, stupid, just because you live in the hills doesn't mean you have to look the part.
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04-22-2008, 12:42 PM
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You know Teak I worked in dress clothes for 30 years .
At home I like being a hill billy and I don't wear shoes at home except flops or my red wings.
But i imagine I have more clothes in my three closets than your car is worth, so you O' Teak with the small brain should chill.
I clean up, just not often now that I am retired.
So whats your point Teak of the small brain? Cops should harass people going to the store in blue jeans? What communist country do you come from Teak small brained wonder? I don't know where you came from but China might be more to your liking Teak.
This is America where we don't expect cops to treat us any differently if we are running to the hardware store in red wings and jeans than on our way out in formals on New years Eve. .............................Your a lunatic delusional person teak.
Lets see some pictures of you by the way O' Brainless one Teak.
let me warn you, I would respect you more if you don't shoot us some posed glamour shot. With your makeup all done and your hair combed over to hide the bald spots.
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04-22-2008, 12:47 PM
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Not to be a stick in the mud since we all love to believe our government is trying to enslave us all but did anyone notice the link for this "event" was a Ron Paul supporter website? I have tried to independently verify this actually happened but can find no reference to this in the Memphis papers. If this was as big as they claim it was don't you think this would have been picked up by national news outlets?
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04-22-2008, 12:54 PM
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I have asked dirtyp to give me a link as well .
I would like more details if this really happened.
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