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04-25-2008, 12:44 PM
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What racism do blacks experience TODAY? There is a black man running for president, who also went to Harvard! Your entire argument fails here.
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One of the jobs in the legal system is making phone calls and sending letters to test for systematic illegal discriminatory actions. The two common variations on otherwise identical interactions are accent and name. The people who speak with the cadence and accent of Sharpton, will be rejected, even if the speaker is white, but when the same speaker speaks like a typical Midwesterner, he will be warmly accepted. And then when the voice that is warmly accepted uses names like Bill, Fred, and Barry, they get that same warm welcome, but when the names are Hussein or Barack or Mohommad, then the warmth turns to hostility.
And it is that latter aspect that is being invoked in the current presidential season. If you don't get it that Obama is black, let's make sure you get it and become afraid by emphasizing that it's Saddam Hussein Obama.
Racism is alive and well, rather proudly displaced of late by a lot of conservatives.
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04-28-2008, 01:39 PM
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Again, affirmative action does not prevent discrimination. If anything, it furthers it. It teaches minorities that you don’t have to work hard because there are programs in place designed to circumvent actual ability and competence. This viewpoint is then recycled through future generations teaching them nothing less than to depend on a system to get you through, instead of taking action yourself. Immigrants come to the U.S. from all over, have different accents, look different, and those who bust their ass, make something of themselves. But minorities already in the U.S., especially those born here, don’t want to put in the effort and rely on others to get them by. It’s not the “white man” keeping them down, it’s themselves because they are not willing to put in the effort necessary to succeed. It’s always easier blaming others for one’s position in life. Instead it would be more productive for them to realistically assess themselves and why they are in their situation, as well as how to fix it.
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04-29-2008, 09:15 AM
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It was implemented to address historical problems with hiring.
Granted it created a new issue.
So how then are we to address discriminatory practices and ensure that those with greatest merit truly are hired?
Why aren't people as upset with cronyism and nepotism? (granted those issues will be even HARDER to address, but this doesn't really seem like a fairness issue, it seems more like sour grapes to me)
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Force black employers to hire a certain number of white employees or ban Affirmative Action.
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04-29-2008, 09:19 AM
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The people who speak with the cadence and accent of Sharpton, will be rejected, even if the speaker is white, but when the same speaker speaks like a typical Midwesterner, he will be warmly accepted. And then when the voice that is warmly accepted uses names like Bill, Fred, and Barry, they get that same warm welcome, but when the names are Hussein or Barack or Mohommad, then the warmth turns to hostility.
When will Lawyers try to get rich from forcing me to date black women over white women with blonde hair?
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04-30-2008, 11:08 AM
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anything that takes into condieration race or creed is discrmination.
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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05-02-2008, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness
anything that takes into condieration race or creed is discrmination.
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Unless they are Jews, right?
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05-12-2008, 12:33 AM
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It is very easy to think of affirmative action as "reverse discrimination" if one only views the label of, "It decides who gets what based on race." It is enticing to believe that banning affirmative action will prohibit discrimination and give a more "color-blind" hiring or application process. However, by banning affirmative action, all you are doing is taking opportunities away from African-Americans, other minorities, and women.
When looking at affirmative action, one has to recognize that racism and racial inequality are the foundation of which this policy was built upon in 1961. Although we don't see racism and racial inequality as much today, its presence unfortunately still presides. Affirmative action was established to help bridge the wide gap between the "privileged" white and "unprotected" black when it comes to employment and education.
There is statistical evidence that shows that progress has come along. In the first two decades of the policy, black men improved to received about 75% of what white men earn, which jumped from around 60% before the 1960's. It is also worthy to note that this jump in annual earnings did NOT come at the expense of white men. In fact, white men were actually earning a considerable amount more at this time than they were in the 1960's. Also, the University of California-Berkley had 6.51% of black first year students in late 80's. This number shrunk to 2.54% after 1999 when the admissions became "color-blind".
The bottom line is that if we do away with these conscious efforts to deal with racial inequality, including scholarship, mentoring, and outreach programs for African-Americans, then we will undo the progress that we have made in this country on the matter of racism.
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05-12-2008, 12:42 AM
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Unless they are Jews, right?
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Now see, that was funny & sooo true....
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05-12-2008, 01:29 AM
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Unless they are Jews, right?
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Or unlwess the Muslim right Fucknut. YOu fucking hypcorits hate everybody. And place those poeple on a pedestal. THATS EXACTLY what you cry about with Affirmative action Putting one group ahead of another. BUt you DO it all the time. Fuckign you and crow are both fucking idiots on that. Ohh HUR HUR yeah. But you both just flaged your selves as two faced fucking nits.
Hews arent a race. If your to uneducated to know that...tough shit.
Beyond that ANY CONCIDERATION OF RACE...is descrimination.
Has nothing to do with the Back stabbing traitors that back Isreali murder.
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Cussing out low class inbreds isnt uninteligent, its honest
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Everything you just said is total bullshit
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