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Old 04-18-2008, 02:03 PM
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Teach the children what? That if we stop talking about racism, there won't be any?

Nevermind, you're an idiot. No, that's not the most clever insult ever uttered here. It is simply a statement of why I won't bother you anymore.
I beleive if you read what he said closer it did not even imply not talking about it. Rather not talk about it the way it is being done now. Racism is used as a political tool exploited by black leaders etc. that is not teaching not to be racist it is teaching since you were smitted smite back. Anyone with a clear head can see the bullshit being spewed out especialy by the black leadership. You have black guest speakers that state strait out that they are not concerned with the double standard. Yet they want to talk about standing up for peoples rights. Well that is strait out bullshit and you and I know it. If you only stand up for the rights of a certain group even at the expense of others rights then you are no better. Racism is a just a sick game these days used as a tool by fools.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:04 PM
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[quote=Bonzo'sCostar;380984]Teach the children what? That if we stop talking about racism, there won't be any?

If you stop discussing something, then how can you learn from it? Instead of calling me an idiot, why don't you actually pay attention to my comments.

Nevermind, you're an idiot. No, that's not the most clever insult ever uttered here. It is simply a statement of why I won't bother you anymore. Well, that's a relief because I would rather have an intelligent discussion with someone worth a damn.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:09 PM
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I beleive if you read what he said closer it did not even imply not talking about it. Rather not talk about it the way it is being done now. Racism is used as a political tool exploited by black leaders etc. that is not teaching not to be racist it is teaching since you were smitted smite back. Anyone with a clear head can see the bullshit being spewed out especialy by the black leadership. You have black guest speakers that state strait out that they are not concerned with the double standard. Yet they want to talk about standing up for peoples rights. Well that is strait out bullshit and you and I know it. If you only stand up for the rights of a certain group even at the expense of others rights then you are no better. Racism is a just a sick game these days used as a tool by fools.
Well said Shadow! Bonzo missed my point entirely. Glad to see someone pays attention.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:18 PM
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Well said Shadow! Bonzo missed my point entirely. Glad to see someone pays attention.
That is half the problem today people shut off their hearing once they have spewed their point. They don't want mutual understanding or meeting in the middle they want their way no compromise etc. etc. hell they are so bull headed they can't even see when the other side is god damn agreeing with them on certain points. Political correctness and radicalism has taken over this nation and good old fashioned common sense and reasoning have gone out the frigen door.
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Old 04-18-2008, 02:41 PM
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I beleive if you read what he said closer it did not even imply not talking about it. Rather not talk about it the way it is being done now. Racism is used as a political tool exploited by black leaders etc. that is not teaching not to be racist it is teaching since you were smitted smite back. Anyone with a clear head can see the bullshit being spewed out especialy by the black leadership. You have black guest speakers that state strait out that they are not concerned with the double standard. Yet they want to talk about standing up for peoples rights. Well that is strait out bullshit and you and I know it. If you only stand up for the rights of a certain group even at the expense of others rights then you are no better. Racism is a just a sick game these days used as a tool by fools.
There has been some of that, but it is not just political maneuvering. That's been a popular attitude, but it is not the entire reality.

Racism still exists in this country, and the goal should be promoting a society that is fair to all groups. We've made progress but we've still got a long way to go.
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Bullshit. Here's what the idiot had to say about racial issues today, quoted in context.

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Racial prejudice would be in the past, if people stopped making it a current issue. Instead of working hard, they think blaming others and making excuses for their misfortunes is going to fix their situation. People need to start taking responsibility for their own choices, decisions and actions instead of playing the unfortunate victim card all the time.
Russia is responsible for this simple-mindedness. Your excuses for it were nearly as lame, amounting to nothing more than cliched stereotypes about the awful things "black leaders" do and more crap about how black people should just overcome their obstacles like when the white, suburban kid only had a used car to drive to high school. In the end, you both blame existing racism on black people. Rush and coulter can get rich selling that idiocy to sucker rightards, but anybody who regurgitates it is, de facto, an idiot.

Worse, you follow your cliche fest with some sanctimony about how others won't listen, after you did nothing but re-list the favorite rightard stereotypes.
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Old 04-18-2008, 04:34 PM
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Keeping blacks and whites seperated has been the modus operandi of black leaders like Sharpton. It makes them rich while it allows segregational practices to continue......racial tension is good for business. Leaders like Sharpton are mostly to blame for the long, drawn out war on racism. Gotta' keep "the man" fresh in the minds of blacks....."The man" is to blame for their problems. Affirmative Action is reverse discrimination.....but "the man" suffers, so everythings cool!
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Old 04-18-2008, 09:35 PM
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I yam what I yam, rightard. And you, are a paranoid simp. INHR isn't bad, but anyone can see I am much more eloquent
Oh okay Bonzo. It's "you is what you is". How's that nuclear warhead permit coming? You gonna' mount it on your wheelchair or stick it up your ass with everything else you own.........?
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I'm still wondering how this in some way affects you?
Guh, um hum derrrr. So......? And......? Guh, um hum derrrr'. Please explain......? Duly noted......? I'M A FUCKIN' CUNT, Please Explain......? um derrrr' duly noted.....?
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Old 04-24-2008, 04:34 PM
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There has been some of that, but it is not just political maneuvering. That's been a popular attitude, but it is not the entire reality.

Racism still exists in this country, and the goal should be promoting a society that is fair to all groups. No the goal should be to stop our government from promoting at all. Its not what tax dollars are meant for. We've made progress but we've still got a long way to go.
We can't do shit fool, it's each individual's choice to either be racist or not and no amount of liberal bs is gonna change that
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:16 PM
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Affirmative action needs to be abolished as a policy. Both education and employment should be based on merit of one’s abilities and achievements, not on minority status. Everyone who works hard should be awarded and be able to advance in both their educational and employment ambitions. However, affirmative action keeps those hard working individuals out by instilling a policy of reverse discrimination in getting some less qualified minorities in the door. Not everyone has the ability to survive college or become a CEO. People need to recognize their strengths instead of getting by with their weaknesses, and in turn, dumbing down our society. As a minority myself, I’d rather climb the success ladder knowing I got to where I need to be by my own abilities and not just because of my status.
You have clearly bought hook line and sinker the bigot's line that affirmative action is discrimination because it give minorities an unfair advantage.

So, if you call for information on an apartment or about a job, and you are told based on your accent that associates you with Asian, or black, Hispanic, you are told that the the apartment or job isn't available, that is perfectly legal? Or should be legal?

Or when you sound "white" and then show up to see the apartment or interview for the job, that friendly voice on the phone is now hostile, and somehow you went from being "a perfect fit" to being "over qualified" or "you wouldn't be happy" in the blink of an eye, the one that first caught sight of you.

The cases of systematic discrimination have been prosecuted repeatedly, and one of the things that organizations have sought is some safeguards against prosecution. And that is where the EEOC set rules that allow organizations that have no history of discrimination to provide a reason for summary dismissal of complaints of discrimination. On the other hand, this same system provides the template for the probationary period of organizations that have been proven legally to have engaged in illegal discrimination.

If you object to the court supervision and other mandates on organization that have been proven to have engaged in illegal activity, then you must object to probation restrictions that require a probationary criminal to not associate with criminals, to make restitution, to report to a supervisor periodically, to make themselves available to law enforcement for questioning, etc., to be reverse criminality, and criminal, and thus wrong. Right?

The evidence of ongoing illegal discrimination is clear; prosecuting it is difficult, even when the resources and moral imperative is clear. For the past quarter century, the effort has been minimal, and a great deal of effort has been placed into making the case that discrimination based on religion and race and origin is not only something that should be legal, but also moral, because the fact that these minorities aren't successful in society proves that they can't be successful, so they should be excluded because those races or those people who believe that religion are mentally incompetent to have a good job.

Of course, the real hot topic is in education.

The conservative view is that college and university is a factory that converts raw material into skilled workers, and the ideal production involves taking the best and most uniform raw material, say WASPS, and manufacturing them into MBAs.

The liberal view is that college and university purpose is to broaden the mind, to promote diverse views, and expose people to a variety of experience. So, the admission policy seeks to serve those means and does so by creating many preferences. One preference is to the children of alumni, one that promotes family loyalty in giving to the institution, and also that ties successive generations back to the history of the institution. Preferences are given to community and background so that people see the world as diverse.

So we have a confluence of factors, first the criminal acts of discrimination which were then dealt with by placing the institution on probation that required restitution of some sort, supervision, and highly visible monitoring. And then the view that these institutions are manufacturing plants and that the prime raw material should be selected automatically, and that by selecting blacks or poor the factory is fundamentally immoral and even criminal.

This has led to attacks on preferences for alumni and so on because they violate the right of some to obtain the maximum reward by getting a name-brand MBA.

And then this has been expanded into the view that anyone who isn't WASP with a name-brand degree didn't deserve it.

Of course, if you think about it objectively, those who merely suggest that if you aren't WASP but have a Harvard MBA or PhD from MIT, you didn't earn it, are the racists.
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