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04-18-2008, 12:16 PM
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Why exactly?
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Well, you stated as "a minority myself, I’d rather climb the success ladder knowing I got to where I need to be by my own abilities and not just because of my status. "
If you were a black whose ancestors who lived through racism, that statement would have some validity. However, if you merely came here 20 years ago, then it really wouldn't have any validity.
I mean it is easy for someone who has never experienced racism to say what you have, but it means more if someone who experienced it says it.
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04-18-2008, 12:20 PM
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If you were a black whose ancestors who lived through racism, that statement would have some validity.
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No it wouldn't. Quit yer' whining and get busy living. Handouts are for those with no pride, maybe they are for you but not for real Americans. Fuckin' grow up for Christ sake.........
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I'm still wondering how this in some way affects you?
Guh, um hum derrrr. So......? And......? Guh, um hum derrrr'. Please explain......? Duly noted......? I'M A FUCKIN' CUNT, Please Explain......? um derrrr' duly noted.....?
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04-18-2008, 12:39 PM
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[quote=Bonzo'sCostar;380865]I think it is mighty white of righties to talk about how people should be treated, based on merit and not on the color of their skin. Outrage over discrimination finally happening, when a few white people become victims. I am not a “righty”. Discrimination is not okay on all accounts.
Righties like to act like racial prejudice is something from the past, with little in existence today. The playing field has been leveled, "I didn't own any slaves," and black people need to "get over it."
Racial prejudice would be in the past, if people stopped making it a current issue. Instead of working hard, they think blaming others and making excuses for their misfortunes is going to fix their situation. People need to start taking responsibility for their own choices, decisions and actions instead of playing the unfortunate victim card all the time.
There are no more slaves. Moreover, those alive today were not apart of slavery on any side and therefore should not be blamed for it. This is ridiculous logic. You don’t see holocaust victims calling upon today’s Germans to pay reparations for what were TRUE injustices and atrocities, much worse than slaves ever incurred.
Those beliefs are wrong in themselves, but I wish to address an often ignored aspect of previous discrimination ... Imagine you are smart black man in the 1920s. We’re not talking about or living in the 1920s. That example is quite outdated, right up there with slavery. Black people in today’s society should have absolutely nothing to complain about. If you haven’t been paying attention to the news lately, there is a black man running for the highest office in the land, who also comes from a Harvard education. So if he can do it, why can’t others? Put the gun down and pick up a book. You worked hard to get a good education. Now, try to find a job that doesn't involve a mop. After a few years of this, do you go home and tell your children, "Study hard, work hard, and everything will be hunky-dory"? No, you don't. YES YOU DO! Thank you for making my point. If more black people stopped whining and complaining about their situation, and actually raised their children with the normal idea that you want their lives to be better and easier than yours. If one is a good parent, one should ALWAYS want their child to work hard and succeed in the future which will be the world they have to live in. Otherwise, future generations can't advance. People who don't want their kids to advance shouldn't even breed. Once black people stop the circle of "feel sorry for me", then perhaps you would see the reality that you do not have it as bad as you think. And they won't teach their children, and ... sanctimonious, white-bread, suburbanites will someday tell those grandchildren, "Get over it. Pull yourself up like I did."
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04-18-2008, 12:49 PM
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Just use your main screen name IHNR. This Bonzo shit is embarrassing........ 
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I yam what I yam, rightard. And you, are a paranoid simp. INHR isn't bad, but anyone can see I am much more eloquent.
Now, go back to sharing your homoerotic fantasies, and leave politics to the grown ups.
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04-18-2008, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Well, you stated as "a minority myself, I’d rather climb the success ladder knowing I got to where I need to be by my own abilities and not just because of my status. "
If you were a black whose ancestors who lived through racism, that statement would have some validity. However, if you merely came here 20 years ago, then it really wouldn't have any validity.
I mean it is easy for someone who has never experienced racism to say what you have, but it means more if someone who experienced it says it.
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Discrimination comes in many forms, not just racism, but also sexism, those with disabilities, etc. You think the only people to experience racism are blacks??? Try Jews, like probably a few of my ancestors who perished in the holocaust. You want to know real atrocities? Try having your ancestors burned in an oven, or how about gassed, shot in groups and thrown in mass graves? Slavery, though wrong, doesn’t hold a candle to this. You don’t see me going to tell today’s Germans to pay up for what my people have been through in the past.
What racism do blacks experience TODAY? There is a black man running for president, who also went to Harvard! Your entire argument fails here.
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04-18-2008, 12:56 PM
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Racial prejudice would be in the past, if people stopped making it a current issue.
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Uh huh. Ignore it, and it will go away. An experiment was done not long ago ... Nearly identical resumes were created and sent in to various companies. Some of the resumes had names at the top like Jorge Vasquez or LaQuisha Washington. Some had Sally Thompson or David Smith. Guess which ones got the call-backs.
Again, racism is only a problem for pampered, white suburbanites, if there is a possibility they will be affected. Otherwise, ignore it, and it will go away.
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Instead of working hard, they think blaming others and making excuses for their misfortunes is going to fix their situation. People need to start taking responsibility for their own choices, decisions and actions instead of playing the unfortunate victim card all the time.
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As righties parade their herd of scapegoats, blaming everyone from Mexicans to the "liberal media" for their inability to afford a better trailer.
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04-18-2008, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by FromRussiaWithLove
Discrimination comes in many forms, not just racism, but also sexism, those with disabilities, etc. You think the only people to experience racism are blacks??? Try Jews, like probably a few of my ancestors who perished in the holocaust. You want to know real atrocities? Try having your ancestors burned in an oven, or how about gassed, shot in groups and thrown in mass graves? Slavery, though wrong, doesn’t hold a candle to this. You don’t see me going to tell today’s Germans to pay up for what my people have been through in the past.
What racism do blacks experience TODAY? There is a black man running for president, who also went to Harvard! Your entire argument fails here.
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There were many atrocities associated with slavery, and later racism.
Are you at all familiar with the lynchings, rapes, and other abominations that have been perpetrated against blacks in this country.
No, it was NOT an organized attempt at genocide.
Whose pain was worse? I don't think anyone can answer that in a just fashion....
What racism do blacks experience today? Here is a recent example:
James Byrd, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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04-18-2008, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
There were many atrocities associated with slavery, and later racism.
Are you at all familiar with the lynchings, rapes, and other abominations that have been perpetrated against blacks in this country.
No, it was NOT an organized attempt at genocide.
Whose pain was worse? I don't think anyone can answer that in a just fashion....
What racism do blacks experience today? Here is a recent example:
James Byrd, Jr. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
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Yes, I am aware and familiar with such stories. They are all horrible and those involved in facilitating such atrocities should experience same as their punishment. However, my point is that atrocities are not limited to black people. It's not only black women who are raped. It's not just black men who are killed. At least there was never an attempt to eliminate blacks as a race.
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04-18-2008, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonzo'sCostar
Russia:
Uh huh. Ignore it, and it will go away. An experiment was done not long ago ... Nearly identical resumes were created and sent in to various companies. Some of the resumes had names at the top like Jorge Vasquez or LaQuisha Washington. Some had Sally Thompson or David Smith. Guess which ones got the call-backs.
Again, racism is only a problem for pampered, white suburbanites, if there is a possibility they will be affected. Otherwise, ignore it, and it will go away.
As righties parade their herd of scapegoats, blaming everyone from Mexicans to the "liberal media" for their inability to afford a better trailer.
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No, not ignore it, but learn from it, move on, and properly teach kids not to repeat the same mistakes so that future generations can succeed.
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04-18-2008, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by FromRussiaWithLove
No, not ignore it, but learn from it, move on, and properly teach kids not to repeat the same mistakes so that future generations can succeed.
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Teach the children what? That if we stop talking about racism, there won't be any?
Nevermind, you're an idiot. No, that's not the most clever insult ever uttered here. It is simply a statement of why I won't bother you anymore.
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