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04-17-2008, 08:03 PM
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The Martial Law Act of 2006
by James Bovard
Martial law is perhaps the ultimate stomping of freedom. And yet, on September 30, 2006, Congress passed a provision in a 591-page bill that will make it easy for President Bush to impose martial law in response to a terrorist “incident.” It also empowers him to effectively declare martial law in response to what he or other federal officials label a shortfall of “public order” – whatever that means.
It took only a few paragraphs in a $500 billion, 591-page bill to raze one of the most important limits on federal power. Congress passed the Insurrection Act in 1807 to severely restrict the president’s ability to deploy the military within the United States. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 tightened those restrictions, imposing a two-year prison sentence on anyone who used the military within the United States without the express permission of Congress. (This act was passed after the depredations of the U.S. military throughout the Southern states during Reconstruction.)
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04-17-2008, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dirtyp
by James Bovard
Martial law is perhaps the ultimate stomping of freedom. And yet, on September 30, 2006, Congress passed a provision in a 591-page bill that will make it easy for President Bush to impose martial law in response to a terrorist “incident.” It also empowers him to effectively declare martial law in response to what he or other federal officials label a shortfall of “public order” – whatever that means.
It took only a few paragraphs in a $500 billion, 591-page bill to raze one of the most important limits on federal power. Congress passed the Insurrection Act in 1807 to severely restrict the president’s ability to deploy the military within the United States. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 tightened those restrictions, imposing a two-year prison sentence on anyone who used the military within the United States without the express permission of Congress. (This act was passed after the depredations of the U.S. military throughout the Southern states during Reconstruction.)
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Another paranoid schizophrenic, fear monger. Yep you're going to fit right in with the neo-nazi skinheads on this forum. You guys have much in common.
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04-18-2008, 03:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Another paranoid schizophrenic, fear monger. Yep you're going to fit right in with the neo-nazi skinheads on this forum. You guys have much in common.
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So you've no problem with Dubya having already comprimised 8 of the ten Bill of Rights, and getting this power as well?
Me personally, I would be very concerned placing such power, which totally destabilizes the Balance of Power among the three governmental branches, in the hands of a man who didn't give it a second thought to spy on each and every US citizen without court oversight. Dubya simply has no concern for the Constitution, nor the individual rights and privlages of a US citizen.
To erase even one line of the Constitution erases the United States of America. Our Founding Document IS the US of A, and should be upheld through all times of conflict and natural disaster.
History just may damn well repeat itself. National cemetaries across the north contain many innocent people from the Civil War era, imprisoned in POW camps with no due procees when Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus.
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04-18-2008, 04:44 AM
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Originally Posted by NAT
So you've no problem with Dubya having already comprimised 8 of the ten Bill of Rights, and getting this power as well?
Me personally, I would be very concerned placing such power, which totally destabilizes the Balance of Power among the three governmental branches, in the hands of a man who didn't give it a second thought to spy on each and every US citizen without court oversight. Dubya simply has no concern for the Constitution, nor the individual rights and privlages of a US citizen.
To erase even one line of the Constitution erases the United States of America. Our Founding Document IS the US of A, and should be upheld through all times of conflict and natural disaster.
History just may damn well repeat itself. National cemetaries across the north contain many innocent people from the Civil War era, imprisoned in POW camps with no due procees when Lincoln suspended Habeus Corpus.
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Name one right you have lost since "dubya" took office. Show me where YOU have been affected by this supposed violation of the constitution.
You are just another paranoid nut job like these others. Birds of a feather.....
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04-18-2008, 05:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Name one right you have lost since "dubya" took office. Show me where YOU have been affected by this supposed violation of the constitution.
You are just another paranoid nut job like these others. Birds of a feather.....
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Oh look, everyone, a perfect example of VLS.
That's Verbal Lemming Syndrom, BTW.
Have you even READ our Constitution? Good heavens, I can't believe there are still people this blinded.
The only Bill of Rights that has not been comprimised directly by this administration as of yet is the Third. This president is also responsible for the worst erosion of the Balance of Powers in history, approaching the realm of absolute power for the Adminstration Branch, dictatorship in other words.
Have I been directly effected? Yes I have, and so have you, and everyone else who has made a phone call or used the internet in the past 7 years.
Were you aware that a police officer could arrest you and hold you for 72 hours with no phonecall or official charges levied? That you could be ripped from your home for saying the wrong thing on this forum, and thrown in a military prison without due process and no recourse? Are you aware that our Constitution guarentees Jusdicial oversight (warrents) were eavedropping is concerned?
Soviet much?
Our Founders laid down certain procedures and rights in our Constitution, laws that also laid the foundation for this very nation, laws that created these United States of America, laws that were NOT to be comprimised. Not since Eisenhower and his Motto has the Constitution been dragged through the mud so much.
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04-18-2008, 05:12 AM
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Have I been directly effected? Yes I have, and so have you, and everyone else who has made a phone call or used the internet in the past 7 years.
Were you aware that a police officer could arrest you and hold you for 72 hours with no phonecall or official charges levied? That you could be ripped from your home for saying the wrong thing on this forum, and thrown in a military prison without due process and no recourse? Are you aware that our Constitution guarentees Jusdicial oversight (warrents) were eavedropping is concerned?
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If true, this forum would be a lot lighter. Show me one case where this has happened.
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04-18-2008, 05:13 AM
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Good post dirty P
NAT
I see you met Teak , one of our resident Bush bots.
Ah, well you'll notice we have a lot of sheep's who don't mind being slaves to the government around here. Teak is just one of them. But let me forewarn you Bush Bots like Teak haven't got a lick of sense , so talking to Teak is like talking to the wall.
But good to have you here NAT, welcome to the forum.
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04-18-2008, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by itsplayed
If true, this forum would be a lot lighter. Show me one case where this has happened.
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Cute, ask for proof of something that would catagorically NOT be released to the media.
No, I cannot offer such proof, I do not have access to any documents that would certainly be classified. Sorry.
I would hope you would be aware, and I am sure you are, that such partisan spin you use is designed to detract from the core issue.
Our Constitution has been comprimised.
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04-18-2008, 05:27 AM
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Originally Posted by NAT
Cute, ask for proof of something that would catagorically NOT be released to the media.
No, I cannot offer such proof, I do not have access to any documents that would certainly be classified. Sorry.
I would hope you would be aware, and I am sure you are, that such partisan spin you use is designed to detract from the core issue.
Our Constitution has been comprimised.
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What.....no family members of the wrongfully accused and "illegally" held are speaking out?
Take each line item then.....what part of the Patriot act do you feel has comprimised the Constitution and your rights?
Please don't spin from the ACLU website.
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04-18-2008, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by wvpeach
Good post dirty P
NAT
I see you met Teak , one of our resident Bush bots.
Ah, well you'll notice we have a lot of sheep's who don't mind being slaves to the government around here. Teak is just one of them. But let me forewarn you Bush Bots like Teak haven't got a lick of sense , so talking to Teak is like talking to the wall.
But good to have you here NAT, welcome to the forum.
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I'm still waiting for 5 answers to the questions about your socialist medical program, Pit.
1. Who specifically is going to administer this program?
Ans. by Peach: The states by electing a board of half doctors and half laymen.
2. How many people will it take, to administer this program for 300 million plus people?
3. How much is it going to cost to cover a husband, wife, one son 8 years of age, and one daughter 16 years old?
4. How much is it going to cost the American tax payer, to implement this program, and run it for two years?
5. How much will it cost to run and implement this program each year after that, including the retirement packages, for the administrators?
6. How is this program going to provide, the majority of Americans, with BETTER health care?
COME ON GIRL, YOU SAID THE ANSWER WERE IN THE TRIPE YOU POSTED. PROVIDE THEM
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