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04-19-2008, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by NAT
It's difficult enough to keep on topic on these forums, without throwing such items as Asian-Americans being thrown in concentration camps during WWII, and the other things you mention above.
Also, what part of the 4th didn't you get? Before your Commander-in-Chimp hit the scene, all government agiencies where required to get a warrent. They do not need to do this any longer. The 4th has effectively been erased.
No one should ever take anyone in power at face value, law makers or clergy. And you have taken Dubya hook, line, and sinker.
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Well there, Nat, he is YOUR "Commander-in-Chimp" as well, unless you have formally renounced your citizenship, weather you voted for him or not. And the fact that those Asian-Americans lost more rights than you CLAIM Bush has taken from you just shows how much of a bigot you really are.
The whole point being, you have not lost one right during this Administration, because they were lost to all American back in 1942, when the precedent was set, by ROOSEVELT. But them such points of law are totally unknown, or ignored, by your kind. Go visit the library, their reference books are enlightening, especially to someone of your............... "intellect".
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04-19-2008, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Teak
Well there, Nat, he is YOUR "Commander-in-Chimp" as well, unless you have formally renounced your citizenship, weather you voted for him or not. And the fact that those Asian-Americans lost more rights than you CLAIM Bush has taken from you just shows how much of a bigot you really are.
The whole point being, you have not lost one right during this Administration, because they were lost to all American back in 1942, when the precedent was set, by ROOSEVELT. But them such points of law are totally unknown, or ignored, by your kind. Go visit the library, their reference books are enlightening, especially to someone of your............... "intellect".
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No, he is merely the person who occupies the office of the President of the United States.
He is YOUR Commander-in-Chimp.
Sorry.
Also, please don't bother to even try attempting to claim you know me and my views on racism. You Bush-bots can't even see past your own noses, even if Dubya was to have the brain beam shut off and you could use your own eyes, and minds, again. And before you isult me further by attempting to claim I am a liberal, or a democrate, you should know you would be catagorically wrong.
And 1942 was a time of actual war, not the conflict we see today with an ideology. Congress has never made an official Proclimation of War, so we are not "at war". The US was attacked directly, and occupied as well, by enemy military forces in WWII.
Each and every single right was returned to each and every US citizen at the close of that war, not to be comprimised again until the Cosntitutionally illegal current Motto and additions to Rev. Bellamy's Pledge were added in the 1950's, as well as the McCarthy Commision.
Once the damage that your CIC has done has been repaired, and our original Motto and Pledge returned, then we will once again have our Constitutional rights returned, that document which is the foundation of this nation and that which IS this nation.
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04-19-2008, 03:19 PM
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Also, what part of the 4th didn't you get? Before your Commander-in-Chimp hit the scene, all government agiencies where required to get a warrent. They do not need to do this any longer. The 4th has effectively been erased.
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Cite a few cases where warrants weren't used on innocent American citizens.
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04-19-2008, 03:23 PM
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Cite a few cases where warrants weren't used on innocent American citizens.
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Google them yourself.
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04-19-2008, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NAT
Google them yourself.
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Don't exist, huh?....thought so. Okay then, show me where it says that warrants are no longer needed within the Act.
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Congratulations to the Religion of Peace on another successful Ramadan. This year's numbers: 903 dead and 1638 injured across 16 countries during Islam's holiest month! ~thereligionofpeace.com
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04-19-2008, 06:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NAT
No, he is merely the person who occupies the office of the President of the United States.
He is YOUR Commander-in-Chimp.
Sorry.
Also, please don't bother to even try attempting to claim you know me and my views on racism. You Bush-bots can't even see past your own noses, even if Dubya was to have the brain beam shut off and you could use your own eyes, and minds, again. And before you isult me further by attempting to claim I am a liberal, or a democrate, you should know you would be catagorically wrong.
And 1942 was a time of actual war, not the conflict we see today with an ideology. Congress has never made an official Proclimation of War, so we are not "at war". The US was attacked directly, and occupied as well, by enemy military forces in WWII.
Each and every single right was returned to each and every US citizen at the close of that war, not to be comprimised again until the Cosntitutionally illegal current Motto and additions to Rev. Bellamy's Pledge were added in the 1950's, as well as the McCarthy Commision.
Once the damage that your CIC has done has been repaired, and our original Motto and Pledge returned, then we will once again have our Constitutional rights returned, that document which is the foundation of this nation and that which IS this nation.
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And yet another member of the forest defense league (Survivalist) is heard from.
Still unable to refute facts, so a proclamation that the past is unimportant is your only recourse. Can't even demonstrate one right lost. You have no argument, just mouth. Thanks for proving eveything I said about you, keep it up.
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04-19-2008, 06:46 PM
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04-19-2008, 07:18 PM
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I think it's a bad bill....poorly written. Wasn't it stopped cold in the Senate?
And wasn't it a Democrat that introduced it?
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Congratulations to the Religion of Peace on another successful Ramadan. This year's numbers: 903 dead and 1638 injured across 16 countries during Islam's holiest month! ~thereligionofpeace.com
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04-19-2008, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by itsplayed
Don't exist, huh?....thought so. Okay then, show me where it says that warrants are no longer needed within the Act.
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No, the fact is that you employ a common tactic that Bush-bots use.
Attempt to discredit the poster and spin the topic away from the core issue by demanding information that catagorically cannot be found on the internet, as one generally cannot, egally, obtain classified information on the web.
And no one has replied to my request to show even one terrorist who has been captured and detained under FISA, the Patriot Act, or the ability of Bush to sign off on Habeus Corpus.
Now, to answer your question above...
Part II, Section 201 changes the Section 2516(1) of title 18, United States Code to allow policing agiences to aquire information not only for terrorist actions, but any criminal investigation at all.
"So?" you might say, Cheney style.
Even criminals have rights (though too many today imho), and all persons are supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. The 4th Amendment, requiring judicial oversight of police agency investigations through warrents, is meant to protect the average US citizen from certain abuses that might take place from government officers, and to provide those once inate rights that all US citizens enjoyed, even criminals.
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04-19-2008, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Teak
And yet another member of the forest defense league (Survivalist) is heard from.
Still unable to refute facts, so a proclamation that the past is unimportant is your only recourse. Can't even demonstrate one right lost. You have no argument, just mouth. Thanks for proving eveything I said about you, keep it up.
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What part of Bill of Rights are you having trouble with?
That's the First through the Tenth Amendments, since you seem to be having troubles with the concept.
And to be even more helpful...
LII: Constitution
A good read, that wacky old Constitution that everyone with any free thought keeps harping on.
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