The Martial Law Act of 2006

itsplayed · #21 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NAT

Thought of this reponse at work today...

How about YOU supply one example of a terrorist caught utilizing the Patriot Act, or any of the other special powers Congress has foolishly bestowed upon Dubya, and I will concede this entire thread.

In answer to the above quote, one, and only one, of the many concerns about the Patriot Act is the ability of any police agency to suspend our 4th Amendment Rights on the mere suspicion of terrorism or any other related action, a suspicion they are NOT required to substantiate. Indeed, under the PA, an officer can enter your home without your knowledge and have a look around while you and your family are away.

Care to answer a return question? What was the problem with judicial oversight that the PA had to eliminate the need for warrents?

Your interpretation of the Patriot Act is flawed. It sounds like a rumor that was started on some lefty website then grew into the ridiculous. Read the Act first, then get back to me. Surveillance directed at people in the United States continues to require court approval as it did before.

• December 2001, Richard Reid: British citizen attempted to ignite shoe bomb on flight from Paris to Miami.

• May 2002, Jose Padilla: American citizen accused of seeking “dirty bomb,” convicted of conspiracy.

• September 2002, Lackawanna Six: American citizens of Yemeni origin convicted of supporting Al Qaeda. Five of six were from Lackawanna, N.Y.

• May 2003, Iyman Faris: American citizen charged with trying to topple the Brooklyn Bridge.

• June 2003, Virginia Jihad Network: Eleven men from Alexandria, Va., trained for jihad against American soldiers, convicted of violating the Neutrality Act, conspiracy.

• August 2004, Dhiren Barot: Indian-born leader of terror cell plotted bombings on financial centers.

• August 2004, James Elshafay and Shahawar Matin Siraj: Sought to plant bomb at New York’s Penn Station during the Republican National Convention.

• August 2004, Yassin Aref and Mohammed Hossain: Plotted to assassinate a Pakistani diplomat on American soil.

• June 2005, Father and son Umer Hayat and Hamid Hayat: Son convicted of attending terrorist training camp in Pakistan; father convicted of customs violation.

• August 2005, Kevin James, Levar Haley Washington, Gregory Vernon Patterson and Hammad Riaz Samana: Los Angeles homegrown terrorists who plotted to attack National Guard, LAX, two synagogues and Israeli consulate.

• December 2005, Michael Reynolds: Plotted to blow up refinery in Wyoming, convicted of providing material support to terrorists.

• February 2006, Mohammad Zaki Amawi, Marwan Othman El-Hindi and Zand Wassim Mazloum: Accused of providing material support to terrorists, making bombs for use in Iraq.

• April 2006, Syed Haris Ahmed and Ehsanul Islam Sadequee: Cased and videotaped the Capitol and World Bank for a terrorist organization.

• June 2006, Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine: Accused of plotting to blow up the Sears Tower.

• July 2006, Assem Hammoud: Accused of plotting to hit New York City train tunnels.

• August 2006, Liquid Explosives Plot: Thwarted plot to explode ten airliners over the United States.

• May 2007, Fort Dix Plot: Six men accused of plotting to attack Fort Dix Army base in New Jersey.

• June 2007, JFK Plot: Four men accused of plotting to blow up fuel arteries underneath JFK Airport in New York.

• March 2007, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed: Mastermind of Sept. 11 and author of numerous plots confessed in court in March 2007 to planning to destroy skyscrapers in New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

.....your turn.

nefarious_plot · #22 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:07 PM

IF you assholes are dumb enough to let the government screw you. Then you deserve what you get.

wvpeach · #23 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:33 PM

Excellent post NAT.

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Originally Posted by NAT

One right lost? What part of 8 of the 10 Bill of Rights being comprimised didn't you catch?

Need an example?

4th Amendment -The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Dubya's domestic spying program works without judicial oversight, without warrents, despite a group of judges specifically designated to provide said documents for the purposes of terrorist and intelligence purposes.

Paraniod I am not. Neither am I a party lap dog. Too much power in the hands of one man is a dictatorship. The president has always had the power to declare Martial Law in this country, with Congressional oversight. Learn your government, young'un.

wvpeach · #24 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by NAT

Thank you for the welcome wvpeach (Ms. or MR. please?)
I actually enjoy jousting with partisan lackies, as they tend to have VERY small debating lances.

The only thing about teak that I find totally anoying is his/her wolf picture avatar. I've vested interests in wolves.

Its MRS .

You'll have to explain your interest in wolves when you have the time.

I knew some people in OHIO that raised them. Beautiful animals.

I have five dogs myself. I love anything animals so you won't bore me.

wvpeach · #25 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dirtyp

I could name a friend who was randomly bashed Bush and was greeted by police and secret service knocking at his door. When did online rants become possible crimes? Now there trying to force bloggers to reveal there identity. Randomly searching people and swapping DNA anytime some nut job gives them the excuse.Police dont read mirandas no more. Police dont notify you of arrest or what for. Theres a bill pending to give immunity to civilians videos of their criminal acts. I could write a whole book for you but it would problay bounce off your thick head.

I know a man who was met by the FBI in the hospital because of his anti patriot act rants on line. The poor man was having his gall bladder removed and woke to FBI agents wanting to know why he was so vocal against the US government on line.

He warned us all to be careful. I figure the hell with them. They can lock me up, they will never shut me up. I am a American. People fought and died to make this a free country. I am not about to become a coward and stand idly by as they take away our rights.

wvpeach · #26 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:43 PM

I agree NAT Bush has the blood of a lot of innocent people on his hands. I believe when he stands before the Lord at his judgment he doesn't have a prayer of explaining that.

But I also believe his supporters have that same blood on their hands. They cheered as bombs dropped killing innocents in this war. That blood will be required of his supporters as well. After all Bush was reelected in 2004 by a large majority of this country. That majority has blood on their hands as well.

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Originally Posted by NAT

Thank you for the compliment.

The Neanderthal brain was 30% larger than modern human's.

I am quite aware of US history, especially having lived a greater portion of it than yourself.

Dubya is our current head elected employee, every US soldier or citizen, or innocent Iraqi civilian, who dies in Operation Human Shield rests on his soul. The monumental fiasco of his misnamed "War on Terror" is his responsiblity, whether directly or indirectly. Every Constitutional right and every governmental procedure comprimised rests on his narrow shoulders.

So you tell me, who is to blame.

AND Just a FYI NAT, Teak may act childish I agree. But teak is not youngster. TEAK has just announced he is collecting social security , one of those socialist programs he wants to see done away with. So unless he is a moocher on disability I would say Teak is 62 or 65 years old at least.

wvpeach · #27 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 12:46 PM

GEEZ, This is what I have been telling you all along. The MCCarthy era should have taught this country something. MCCARTY"s boogey man was communism . Bush's boogie man is terrorism. The two are very similar and the crap that is going on now is similar to what went on during the MC Carthy era. Except Bush has went way beyond even what was attempted in the MCCARTHY era.

And you know who both took their play books from? Hitler. Hitler used these same tactics long before Bush was even born.

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Originally Posted by Teak

Well there older than dirt, if as you say it all W's fault, then the blame rests with "we the people", those who voted for him, and those who couldn't find a better person for the job.

If you have been around so long, and know so much, why wasn't Roosevelt stopped when he rounded up Americans and locked them up with no charges? I didn't hear you objecting then.

Then of course there was good old Joe McCarthy, didn't hear many screaming about him either, until many years after the fact. Then their was JFK and his nepotism, drug use, and womanizing. Shit I can list all the crap done by J. Edgar Hoover, both on his own, and at the direction of all the presidents he served.

You still have not named one right you have lost due to Bush, that wasn't taken from you long, long ago, by the men I have named. So come on name one.

By the way I'm 73 hold old would you be.

NAT · #28 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

I agree NAT Bush has the blood of a lot of innocent people on his hands. I believe when he stands before the Lord at his judgment he doesn't have a prayer of explaining that.

But I also believe his supporters have that same blood on their hands. They cheered as bombs dropped killing innocents in this war. That blood will be required of his supporters as well. After all Bush was reelected in 2004 by a large majority of this country. That majority has blood on their hands as well.

AND Just a FYI NAT, Teak may act childish I agree. But teak is not youngster. TEAK has just announced he is collecting social security , one of those socialist programs he wants to see done away with. So unless he is a moocher on disability I would say Teak is 62 or 65 years old at least.

Well, it's good to see that not everyone here is younger than my smoking habit.

Indeed, there are a lot of people who have some 'splanin to do with their respective Gods. However, as far as policy goes, the buck certainly stops at Dubya's feet.

NAT · #29 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Teak

Well there older than dirt, if as you say it all W's fault, then the blame rests with "we the people", those who voted for him, and those who couldn't find a better person for the job.

If you have been around so long, and know so much, why wasn't Roosevelt stopped when he rounded up Americans and locked them up with no charges? I didn't hear you objecting then.

Then of course there was good old Joe McCarthy, didn't hear many screaming about him either, until many years after the fact. Then their was JFK and his nepotism, drug use, and womanizing. Shit I can list all the crap done by J. Edgar Hoover, both on his own, and at the direction of all the presidents he served.

You still have not named one right you have lost due to Bush, that wasn't taken from you long, long ago, by the men I have named. So come on name one.

By the way I'm 73 hold old would you be.

It's difficult enough to keep on topic on these forums, without throwing such items as Asian-Americans being thrown in concentration camps during WWII, and the other things you mention above.

Also, what part of the 4th didn't you get? Before your Commander-in-Chimp hit the scene, all government agiencies where required to get a warrent. They do not need to do this any longer. The 4th has effectively been erased.

No one should ever take anyone in power at face value, law makers or clergy. And you have taken Dubya hook, line, and sinker.

NAT · #30 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Its MRS .

You'll have to explain your interest in wolves when you have the time.

I knew some people in OHIO that raised them. Beautiful animals.

I have five dogs myself. I love anything animals so you won't bore me.

Thank you for clarifying. I would have no wish to make a social faux pas and refer to you incorrectly.

And plenty of time to explain about wolves. I am a Non-Abrahamic Theist, and an Animist. We believe that everyone has a quiding animal spirit. Wolf is one of mine.