The Martial Law Act of 2006

Teak · #11 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NAT

Oh look, everyone, a perfect example of VLS.
That's Verbal Lemming Syndrom, BTW.
Have you even READ our Constitution? Good heavens, I can't believe there are still people this blinded.

The only Bill of Rights that has not been comprimised directly by this administration as of yet is the Third. This president is also responsible for the worst erosion of the Balance of Powers in history, approaching the realm of absolute power for the Adminstration Branch, dictatorship in other words.

Have I been directly effected? Yes I have, and so have you, and everyone else who has made a phone call or used the internet in the past 7 years.
Were you aware that a police officer could arrest you and hold you for 72 hours with no phonecall or official charges levied? That you could be ripped from your home for saying the wrong thing on this forum, and thrown in a military prison without due process and no recourse? Are you aware that our Constitution guarentees Jusdicial oversight (warrents) were eavedropping is concerned?

Soviet much?

Our Founders laid down certain procedures and rights in our Constitution, laws that also laid the foundation for this very nation, laws that created these United States of America, laws that were NOT to be comprimised. Not since Eisenhower and his Motto has the Constitution been dragged through the mud so much.

And you remain nothing more than a paranoid fool afraid of your own shadow. How do you get out of the house each day? After all with those agents just waiting to pounce all over your sorry ass.

I noticed you have not provided even one right lost by you since 2000. Whats wrong, can't find one?

Teak · #12 (**permalink**) 04-18-2008, 06:24 AM

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Have I been directly effected? Yes I have, and so have you, and everyone else who has made a phone call or used the internet in the past 7 years.
Were you aware that a police officer could arrest you and hold you for 72 hours with no phonecall or official charges levied? That you could be ripped from your home for saying the wrong thing on this forum, and thrown in a military prison without due process and no recourse? Are you aware that our Constitution guarentees Jusdicial oversight (warrents) were eavedropping is concerned?

The police, operators, and until just recently, your neighbors were listening in on your telephone conversation, without any warrant. The FBI began recording phone conversation just after J. E. Hoover became the director, all without warrants.

Are you aware that the police have always had the right to hold you for that period of time, under those conditions? Even longer once they tell a judge you are a material witness. Hell, a judge can lock you up indefinately, without a trial, just because he doesn't like the close you are wearing, in his court. Nothing new here.

Back in 1942 Roosevelt ripped thousands of Americans from their homes, tossed them into camps and kept them there for years, without ever charging them with anything.

So which of you rights have been taken away since 2000?

NAT · #13 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Teak

And you remain nothing more than a paranoid fool afraid of your own shadow. How do you get out of the house each day? After all with those agents just waiting to pounce all over your sorry ass.

I noticed you have not provided even one right lost by you since 2000. Whats wrong, can't find one?

One right lost? What part of 8 of the 10 Bill of Rights being comprimised didn't you catch?

Need an example?

4th Amendment -The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Dubya's domestic spying program works without judicial oversight, without warrents, despite a group of judges specifically designated to provide said documents for the purposes of terrorist and intelligence purposes.

Paraniod I am not. Neither am I a party lap dog. Too much power in the hands of one man is a dictatorship. The president has always had the power to declare Martial Law in this country, with Congressional oversight. Learn your government, young'un.

NAT · #14 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by itsplayed

What.....no family members of the wrongfully accused and "illegally" held are speaking out?

Take each line item then.....what part of the Patriot act do you feel has comprimised the Constitution and your rights?

Please don't spin from the ACLU website.

Thought of this reponse at work today...

How about YOU supply one example of a terrorist caught utilizing the Patriot Act, or any of the other special powers Congress has foolishly bestowed upon Dubya, and I will concede this entire thread.

In answer to the above quote, one, and only one, of the many concerns about the Patriot Act is the ability of any police agency to suspend our 4th Amendment Rights on the mere suspicion of terrorism or any other related action, a suspicion they are NOT required to substantiate. Indeed, under the PA, an officer can enter your home without your knowledge and have a look around while you and your family are away.

Care to answer a return question? What was the problem with judicial oversight that the PA had to eliminate the need for warrents?

dirtyp · #15 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:30 AM

Name 1 right lost Are you kidding me? Pick up a newspaper and read. READ R.E.A.D!

I didnt want to waist my time. Teak hit it on the nail anyway.

NAT · #16 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by wvpeach

Good post dirty P

NAT

I see you met Teak , one of our resident Bush bots.

Ah, well you'll notice we have a lot of sheep's who don't mind being slaves to the government around here. Teak is just one of them. But let me forewarn you Bush Bots like Teak haven't got a lick of sense , so talking to Teak is like talking to the wall.

But good to have you here NAT, welcome to the forum.

Thank you for the welcome wvpeach (Ms. or MR. please?)
I actually enjoy jousting with partisan lackies, as they tend to have VERY small debating lances.

The only thing about teak that I find totally anoying is his/her wolf picture avatar. I've vested interests in wolves.

Teak · #17 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:39 AM

Hey, Nat. What part of "its been happening since 1942, and before" don't you understand. Keep blaming Bush you Neanderthal, it just demonstrates you lack of knowledge about this country.

PS. I see you have met Peach, one of our resident religious fanatics, turned Socialist.

dirtyp · #18 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:45 AM

I could name a friend who was randomly bashed Bush and was greeted by police and secret service knocking at his door. When did online rants become possible crimes? Now there trying to force bloggers to reveal there identity. Randomly searching people and swapping DNA anytime some nut job gives them the excuse.Police dont read mirandas no more. Police dont notify you of arrest or what for. Theres a bill pending to give immunity to civilians videos of their criminal acts. I could write a whole book for you but it would problay bounce off your thick head.

NAT · #19 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Teak

Hey, Nat. What part of "its been happening since 1942, and before" don't you understand. Keep blaming Bush you Neanderthal, it just demonstrates you lack of knowledge about this country.

PS. I see you have met Peach, one of our resident religious fanatics, turned Socialist.

Thank you for the compliment.

The Neanderthal brain was 30% larger than modern human's.

I am quite aware of US history, especially having lived a greater portion of it than yourself.

Dubya is our current head elected employee, every US soldier or citizen, or innocent Iraqi civilian, who dies in Operation Human Shield rests on his soul. The monumental fiasco of his misnamed "War on Terror" is his responsiblity, whether directly or indirectly. Every Constitutional right and every governmental procedure comprimised rests on his narrow shoulders.

So you tell me, who is to blame.

Teak · #20 (**permalink**) 04-19-2008, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by NAT

Thank you for the compliment.

The Neanderthal brain was 30% larger than modern human's.

I am quite aware of US history, especially having lived a greater portion of it than yourself.

Dubya is our current head elected employee, every US soldier or citizen, or innocent Iraqi civilian, who dies in Operation Human Shield rests on his soul. The monumental fiasco of his misnamed "War on Terror" is his responsiblity, whether directly or indirectly. Every Constitutional right and every governmental procedure comprimised rests on his narrow shoulders.

So you tell me, who is to blame.

Well there older than dirt, if as you say it all W's fault, then the blame rests with "we the people", those who voted for him, and those who couldn't find a better person for the job.

If you have been around so long, and know so much, why wasn't Roosevelt stopped when he rounded up Americans and locked them up with no charges? I didn't hear you objecting then.

Then of course there was good old Joe McCarthy, didn't hear many screaming about him either, until many years after the fact. Then their was JFK and his nepotism, drug use, and womanizing. Shit I can list all the crap done by J. Edgar Hoover, both on his own, and at the direction of all the presidents he served.

You still have not named one right you have lost due to Bush, that wasn't taken from you long, long ago, by the men I have named. So come on name one.

By the way I'm 73 hold old would you be.