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Old 03-11-2008, 02:55 PM
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>>>Ah, er, the thread wasn't about problems with our educational system. It was about criminalizing homeschoolers. I though nobody said anything about homeschoolers, those are your words and they can be found at the top of the page But if you want to talk about problems within the educational system, let's start here.
where exactly is here, you haven't said anything except insults
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Old 03-26-2008, 06:48 PM
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1. home schooling needs to be regulated NATIONALLY.
2. home schooling/tutors need to have a teaching certificate.
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We NEED a NATIONAL Board of Education with a NATIONAL teacher certification program.
We already have all that. It's called Public Schools. It is NOT working. And no, we don't NEED it. You just want it, and have decided that your wants=everyone else's needs. The things we NEED are oxygen, food, protection from the elements, and more dead liberals.

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It hasn't backfired in the past. They have only gone to public school for 2 years. They've had good teachers, but it's the student population.
Who let that student population in? Who allows them to remain in class when they commit every crime known to man and still won't be expelled because the head count is all that matters for the schools to get their funding? The "student population" wouldn't be a problem if the problem students were shipped back to become Mom and Dad's burden instead of the taxpayers' nightmare.

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I couldn't home school my own kids. They've asked me in the past and I've supplemented, but I don't have the patience nor can I separate mom vs. teacher.
You wouldn't homeschool your kids. Couldn't means it isn't possible. Wouldn't means you couldn't be bothered because it might be hard, and of course nobody is expected to make sacrifices for their children. Your children are asking to be removed from a group of their peers, and instead spend their education at home. Take a hint! Red flag, red flag!

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No, I believe people should home school if the want to, BUT, they need to have teaching credentials and be state certified.
Absolutely. Because the fine people who brought us such amazing debacles as Social Security, Food Stamps, Viet Nam, and the Patriot Act are the most likely ones to be able to weed out good parents from bad ones.

Really? Are you really that fucking stupid?! What, in the name of all that's sane, does the State have to do with deciding who should teach MY GODDAMNED CHILD?!?!?! When did the State give birth?! When did the State raise children?! When did the State become God and inherit the divine wisdom to judge each child's needs on a case-by-case basis and do a better job than they do with ANYTHING else?!

If I handed my child off to a total stranger, at least there's a chance that stranger MIGHT be good and decent. We know, beyond all shadow of doubt, the Government is NOT good and decent, and you'd surrender MY FUCKING CHILD whom you've never met, to the tender mercies of a fucking group of strangers whose decision-making abilities have led to the world you see around you right now?!

In everything you said, replace the words for government with the words "Incompetent Strangers", then see if what you're spewing not only sounds stupid, but sounds like a direct threat against my child. You are sick beyond words.

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George; my sister is academically brillant with a master degree. But she even admits she doesn't have patience or ability to teach.

I essentially agree any bachelor's degree should suffice, though.
How kind of you. So, the Strangers in Government ought to pass laws that say a dipshit with a degree in accounting is better suited to educate my child than the child's OWN FUCKING MOTHER OR FATHER IS?!

Pack your shit and get the hell out of America, or at least pray to God I never find you. You sick, twisted pathetic excuse for a human! You not only send your children away when they WANT you to teach them, but you presume to decide from your keyboard what kind of person ought to decide MY child's future?

Normally, I like to be a little light-hearted...I make my point, maybe toss an insult or two, but then pad it with a bit of humor and make my point. Here is the absolute MOST light-heartedness you can expect from me on this one:

Please go kill yourself. I know you can't be bothered to do anything hard like raise your own damned kids, but this one's easy...grab a fork, jam it in an outlet, and don't let go. You want the State to raise your kids anyway, so take off - nobody needs you.

To the rest of you: Nobody on this planet has any right to decide who teaches my kids but me. Nobody on this planet has any right to tell me what kind of person I have to be to teach my kids.

When Public Schools return to the authortiy of the towns, cities, and counties they're in, and ALL policies are decided locally, and ALL teachers have the ability to actually FIX problems in their classrooms, then, and only then, will I consider Public Schools for my children. Neither the Federal Government nor the State Government is capable of making ANY intelligent decisions about MY specific child's needs or interests.

But, to be fair to Public School Supporters, here're some of the disadvantages to home-schooling:

Economic Disadvantage: Your home-schooled child will not be as familiar with which types of drugs to sell, when to sell them, or who to sell them to. In fact, it's been proven that many home-schooled children can't even identify many common street drugs. How sad. How will they ever make a living selling drugs if they aren't thoroughly versed on them at Public School?

Emotional Disadvantage: After home-schooling, many students have been found to lack a very fundamental American mentality - they don't feel guilty for no reason. Without the advantages of being treated like a criminal with daily metal detector scans, routine locker and personal searches, and a complete stripping of ALL rights while in the classroom, most Home-schoolers grow into adulthood unabashedly claiming that they have Rights. This is not in conformity with what we, as good American Adults, have been taught by our Leaders, our Law Enforcement, our Glorious Patriot Act...it is our duty, each and every one of us, to remeber that even though we haven't been caught yet, we ARE criminals, and we should allow the Government to treat us as such despite what we think we didn't do.

Social Disadvantage: Home-schooled children miss out on the most basic Public School social activities, such as being beat up, being threatened, being date raped, or even violently raped. Home-schoolers may never learn that if you gather in greater numbers than your target, you can bully anyone, hate anyone, or generally victimize anyone you like for any reason.

Legal Disadvantage: More often than not, home-schoolers arrive into the world thinking that law enforcement means you are protected by laws. This is due to the abyssmally high teacher-to-student ratio, wherein the parent has the means and authority to step in and resolve any dispute, and protect the student from and recrimination by other students. This creates an unrealistic attitude towards their expected protection in the real world. Whereas in Public Schools, they learn quickly that there is no way the Teachers can ever effectively address wrongs done to every student, and they learn that by going to Public School, they have lost ALL the presumed protection they expect from decent, loving parents. Once in Public School, there is no accountability...unless you're the victim! After being victimized and unsuccessfully trying to have it addressed, other students quickly learn that you are now an easy victim. Once you have been successfully victimized three or four times, there are even more students willing to try it against you. After a few complaints to teachers and counselors, you then become A Complainer, to whom NOBODY will listen. Then, and only then, can a child truly understand his or her place within the adult legal system. Home-schooling offers no such preparation. And remember - one of the biggest problems with people who think they should be protected is that they tend to think their Rights should be protected too. It is important to learn that your Rights REALLY REALLY need to be taken away if you want to protect your stuff from bad people.

Moral Disadvantages: It has been proven throughout time that the biggest problem associated with standing against adversity in support of your morals is that you had morals in the first place. Home-schooling has a nasty tendency to allow parents to pass on their values and beliefs to their child, thus creating an unattainable goal of "doing the right thing". At Public Schools, that problem is solved by first teaching you that mom and dad no longer are THE authortiy in your life, but are merely minor authorities, second to the State. Next, you are taught about how the world has many, many morals, and they ALL ok. Every one of them, no matter how at odds they may be with Mom and Dad's. Then finally, you're taught that values, morals, and ethics are like clothes - you get to pick and choose them as you see fit! That way you can easily convince yourself of such things as "we should try talking to the terrorists instead of hating them for being different", or "just because you earned a paycheck doesn't mean you don't owe at least some of it to someone who wants it more than you"...

Yeah. Public Schools create the most wonderful, normal, healthy students you ever did see! And at what cost? Mom and Dad lose 90% of their influence over how the child develops as a person, instead of just focusing on manufacturing a citizen.

I was born in, and reside in, a country where the Government is limited by its Constitution. In that Constitution, there is NOT ONE WORD about who should and should not home-school their children. And if that Constitution changed today, there'd be a bloodbath on my front porch tomorrow if anyone tried to prevent ME from deciding what's best for MY children. Will that lead to stupid parents raising stupid kids? Yep. Is stupidity a crime? Nope. The fucking END.

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Old 03-27-2008, 10:08 PM
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>>>I don't think vouchers are going to ensure anything. In fact, I think they will end up costing you more than what you are paying in taxes and you'll end up with the same quaility offered by the private health care system, i.e., piss poor. And, like the healthcare system, you'll end up with 30% of your education costs going to shareholders, Gulfstreams and Lincoln Towncars.
Healthcare is expensive because of Government intervention. Enough of that myth. There is no Competition in the American Healthcare System. Insurance Companies overcharge, and price fix things so that the only way to afford it, is to go through Insurance companies, since Hospitals and Doctors make up the loss through what the Government pays them through Medicaid.

Among many, reasons Healthcare is expensive.

The point is. If you get Government out of something. Costs go down in the end as competition and innovation takes over. Vouchers being a great first step to erradicating the Socialist Institution of "public" schools.
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How can 1 woman home school her 18 kids????

The fast-growing family lives in Tontitown in northwest Arkansas in a 7,000-square-foot home. All the children—whose names start with the letter J—are home-schooled.



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Old 05-10-2008, 07:33 PM
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How can 1 woman home school her 18 kids????

The fast-growing family lives in Tontitown in northwest Arkansas in a 7,000-square-foot home. All the children—whose names start with the letter J—are home-schooled.



Happy Mother's Day: Woman pregnant with 18th child
We know Public school Teachers can not school 15 kids at one time, yet no one complains about the results.
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