IEDs seen as a rising threat within U.S.

itsplayed · #11 (**permalink**) 10-22-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee

Uh, where were you envisioning this preemptive action?

I can think of a few places....

noneof yourbusiness · #12 (**permalink**) 10-22-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stryker

This is a pretty unique situation. If the democrats choose to ignore it and the republicans decide to take action, theyll be labeled fear mongers, or whatever the hell it is you people call them. If the republicans DONT take action and an attack comes, itll be an inside job, or its to keep the sheep in line. Pick a side now, do you support pre emptive action to prevent IEDs in the US? Or not?

There are none there wont ever be any. Its insane to even think there could be. Talking about this IS fear mongering.

itsplayed · #13 (**permalink**) 10-22-2007, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

There are none there wont ever be any. Its insane to even think there could be. Talking about this IS fear mongering.

Al-Quaeda's PR machine in full swing!

Heiress · #14 (**permalink**) 10-24-2007, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by rob

Only way to keep the sheep in line and supporting wars.

Speak for yourself.

She WAS speaking for herself. She's what keeps me looking over my shoulder at the mall.

rob · #15 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Heiress

She WAS speaking for herself. She's what keeps me looking over my shoulder at the mall.

The scary part is that she beleives what she is saying. Damm I bet she thinks that Bush is stalking her.

mulp · #16 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cat's meow

I guess I am left scratching my head about this article...

The FBI or ATF or something bomb squad spent several days disarming a half dozen to a dozen IED near me planted by people determined to overthrow the US government by killing as many Americans, and especially government officials, as they could.

I'm sorry to say that these terrorists were seen primarily as Bush supporters, so the Bush administration didn't call in air strikes to wipe out their terror cell, and instead tricked them and sent them to prison.

They haven't even been labeled illegal enemy combatants, they were given their day, actually months and years in court, they haven't been not tortured in harsh interrogation, and haven't been rendered to Syria, nor sent to gitmo, nor disappeared into a secret prison.

Just the typical Bush administration double standard.....

I recall another one in 2002 or 2003 where an IED bomb and arms dealer was allowed to plead to a minor felony rather then being not-tortured under stress conditions to identify his fellow terrorists and identify people and targets he and others were after, because it was clear their targets were liberals.

And then the Olympic Park bomber got a promise that a death sentence was off the table as an inducement for him to provide the locations of the IEDs that he had planned. That was a clear case of the ticking time bomb when those who support torture say torture should be used to find the IEDs. Again, the Bush administration took the torture option off the table because he was targeting liberals, not conservatives. Besides, he was a born again Christian terrorist who was recruited and convert to the Christian conservatives holy war on liberals.

noneof yourbusiness · #17 (**permalink**) 10-25-2007, 11:02 PM

A fuckign pipe bomb can be layed out by a kid. So what?

mulp · #18 (**permalink**) 10-29-2007, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by noneof yourbusiness

A fuckign pipe bomb can be layed out by a kid. So what?

Yeah, but US conservatives in the US seeking to overthrow the US government are kids and aren't playing with pipe bombs.

Fortunately, most are chickenhawks like Bush et al, lots of talk, lots of weapons, lots of bombs, but no willingness to die for what they believe in. Tim McVeigh at least had the "virtue" of being fully committed and willing to die for his beliefs. The virtue is that McVeigh was willing to put his life on the line, and expected to die, while Bush put the lives of others on the line and expect to be viewed as heroes when others die as a result of their actions.

noneof yourbusiness · #19 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 02:47 AM

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Originally Posted by mulp

Yeah, but US conservatives in the US seeking to overthrow the US government are kids and aren't playing with pipe bombs.

Fortunately, most are chickenhawks like Bush et al, lots of talk, lots of weapons, lots of bombs, but no willingness to die for what they believe in. Tim McVeigh at least had the "virtue" of being fully committed and willing to die for his beliefs. The virtue is that McVeigh was willing to put his life on the line, and expected to die, while Bush put the lives of others on the line and expect to be viewed as heroes when others die as a result of their actions.

One of the few of these guys I meant personally was a just a kid. But I know what your saying. I dont find tese jackasses as a threat to the US colectively. Dangerous people, perhaps. The orginal idea was of terroists planting bombs. The ease of doing that along with the fact it has no happened suggsts that it is not ever going to. Guys like Mcveigh are thankfully few and if people are scared of another Oklahoma City then they should stop thier partisan bullshit and there support of foriegn wars and get on the backs of thier elected leaders to get some real security in place.

satv365 · #20 (**permalink**) 10-30-2007, 03:10 AM

Government has a repsonability to protect Government property and our personal Liberty. Private property should be protected by private industry. I think if airports provided there own security, if ports where guarded under private industry, and buses, trains, cruise ships, and everywhere else would take responsability to protect there investments instead of overbloating incompetent Government Beauracracys like the Department of Homeland Security, the CIA, US Marshalls, and the ATF, there would be a significant decline in the threat of IEDs or terrorist strikes on American soil.

Simply because its in the best interest of the private industry to protect there customers and goods from theft, terrorism and so on. Im sure they would do a better job than a Government Employee.

my two cents.