Root Cause of Terrorism and Defeating Terroism

RASTAMAN · #1 (**permalink**) 05-27-2007, 03:46 PM

I think we have not looked at terrorism in a larger picture (if you will). I think we need to look at terrorism on more than just one front. Because we are dealing with the microcosms of the human mind and condition terrorism is allot more complicated than just defining terrorist or terrorism as "The Enemy", "The War", or they "Hate Us For our Freedoms"; both leaves allot to be desired.

To make a long story short the only way to make any type of end point on terrorism, as it was allowed to be defined after 9/11 is too change the language from "War" on Terrorism and return Terrorism to its rightful place as a crime against humanity! Terrorism and Terrorist commit criminal offenses against human beings--plan and simple.

Second, as an industrialized nation, our leadership must seek out help from other industrialized nations and find out the ROOT causes of terrorism as well continue a joint Global Prosecutable effort to bring to justice known terrorist groups and their financial infrastructures and institutions.

In order to bring the terrorist to justice, it will require the use of a different tool and strategy to replace the current strategy we now see the Bush Administration using. This would involve using the global international cooperation and strategy thru the use of Intelligence, SWAT teams, Special Forces, and occasional situational strategic air strikes.

Using the current tool/foot print with industrialized conventional Armies only exasperates and further inflames the situation by producing and recruiting future terrorist. This is b/c the use of standing Armies requires the occupation of the land won and the weaponry used by conventional armies kill and maim innocent civilians, thus making more enemies.

I for one have a strong suspect or belief that the root causes of terrorism begin with exploitation, oppression, suppression, poverty, lack of access to education, and jobs; all at the hands of dictatorial leadership and governments; of which the U.S. has had a 57 year history of supporting both politically, economically, and militarily.

Third, we as American citizens and as a country must not overlook another root cause of terrorism, which is the involvement of U.S. foreign policies intervention using the CIA in the Middle East dating back to the 1950's. Ron Paul in my opinion absolutely nailed the debate a few weeks ago, when a moderator asked "Why do the Terrorist Hate Us!"

Ron Paul's statement that the Terrorist hated the U.S. due to our intervention policies in M.E. since 1953, when the CIA helped overthrow a dully elected leader in Iran and placed in the Shah of Iran.

You ask why! It was about Iran's oil. Although I forgot the name of the Iranian leader overthrown in 1953, this leader wanted to nationalize his countries oil vs. paying huge sums of profits to British and American Oil companies.

Where have we heard this scenario before! One needs to only look no further than how the Bush-Cheney backed Oil Conglomerates have decided to keep 83% of the Iraqi oil proceeds. Now we are also hearing about Chavez in Venezuela nationalizing the oil in his country.

Getting back to Iran.......when Iran back in 1953 decided to nationalize their oil, this move did not meet the U.S-British. Agenda and with the help of the CIA, the U.S. decided to overthrow a dully elected leader by the Iranian voters and installed the "Shah-of-Iran" who became a Saddam type dictator. The rest as they say is "History"

The overthrow of an elected Iranian leader and the installment of a dictator with the CIA & U.S. intervention and involvement is just one small incidence of U.S. medaling in a sovereign countries affairs over the last 57 years is why we are hated! It’s called BLOW BACK! Or the Law of unintended consequences! This is how you make ENEMIES and this how one day you become HATED!

That horrific day of 9/11 was sadly the events of "Blow Back" the results of America's uneven hand or politically imperialist driven interventionism on behalf of our foreign policies against third world countries. In essence, 9/11 was the result of the choices, decisions, and behaviors of our elected leaders, military industrialize complex, corporations, bankers, wealthy elitist, and Presidential Administrations, all operating in our name (U.S. Citizens) over the last 50 some odd years!

Lastly, by defining the act of terrorism as the "Enemy" or in the context of a War, plays right into the hands of the beneficiaries of the "Military Industrialize Complex" (MIC). President Eisenhower warned the nation back in 1961 about the MIC impact on our country both domestically and fiscally. Corporations that make up the MIC sole reason for existence involves weapons development and procurement to such an existence of over 600 billion dollars annually.

The MIC needs a constant enemy and wars for its very existence. In fact Peace or World Peace is like kryptonite to the MIC. Hence, this is why you hear a daily non-stop propagandize play on words consisting of the "Enemy" and "The War".

How many times have we heard the Bush Administration say Terrorism is now a sudden 40 year war! Just like the Cold War. In essence, Terrorism has now replaced the Cold War with the Soviets, since back in the late 80's the Soviet Union decided to stop playing the Cold War with the U.S.

Suddenly, the MIC did not have a defined-definitive enemy of which it could justify their existence by perpetrating the expenditures of billions of dollars of tax payers money in order to stay in business.

I believe the MIC and its supporters have found a new endless enemy and it's called Terrorism, of which was around during the Cold War.

Cookie Parker · #2 (**permalink**) 05-27-2007, 04:07 PM

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Ron Paul's statement that the Terrorist hated the U.S. due to our intervention policies in M.E. since 1953, when the CIA helped overthrow a dully elected leader in Iran and placed in the Shah of Iran.

You ask why! It was about Iran's oil. Although I forgot the name of the Iranian leader overthrown in 1953, this leader wanted to nationalize his countries oil vs. paying huge sums of profits to British and American Oil companies.

Here's the Shah's information...

http://www.theworld.org/?q=node/3566

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Gasiorowski:"It was really a milestone. It was the first major covert operation by the CIA. It was regarded as a great success. And it was replicated repeatedly subsequently."

To understand how the 1953 coup came about, you have to consider Iran's history. And picture the country on a map. The crucial Persian Gulf lies on its southern border. The former Soviet Union looms to the north. Iran has a strong Persian identity, and a majority Shia Muslim population. Its history has always distinguished it from the countries around it. New York Times reporter Stephen Kinzer discovered that when he first went to Iran.

Kinzer: "You're in the middle of the Arab world but you're not in an Arab country. You're in the middle of the Sunni Islam world but you're not in a Sunni country. Iran has a history that stretches back thousands and thousands of years to great figures like Cyrus and Xerxes. This is a country that has a great sense of itself. It's a very proud country. It's not a country that was made up in the early 20th century like most of the other countries in the Middle East. "

Countries like next door Iraq had their borders drawn up in secret deals between colonial powers during World War One. By contrast, Iran, or Persia, as it was known then, had been around for millennia. That said, Iran was no stranger to foreign meddling. All through the 19th century Britain and Russia vied for influence there. Britain was trying to keep the Russians away from its interests in India. Russia wanted access to the warm water ports of the Persian Gulf.

Shah RezaShah Reza

Along the way, both countries exploited Iran's resources. And Iran's corrupt monarchs obliged them. Various Shahs sold off whole industries---tobacco, oil, caviar---in exchange for ready cash. During World War Two Britain and Russia became allies against Hitler. They feared Iran's Shah, was tilting toward the Nazis. So they invaded. They forced him to abdicate and put his son on the throne. The BBC's Richard Dimbleby witnessed the turnover.

Dimbleby: "The last 24 hours have been busy and important in Tehran. We have seen the closing in on the city of British and Russian troops, the hasty departure of numbers of Germans, women and children included, and the first visit of the new Shah to Parliament. "

American troops ended up in Iran too, as part of the war effort. It was the first significant contact between the two countries. Britain, Russia and the United States all promised to withdraw their troops after the war. But that's not what happened. The Soviet Army had occupied a portion of northern Iran. Now it refused to leave. Iran demanded it withdraw. In Jan 1946 Iran took its case to the newly formed United Nations Security Council, chaired at the time by an Australian diplomat.

Makin: "This is the first occasion upon which the Security Council have been called upon to act under Chapter 6 of the Charter which is entitled The Pacific Settlement of Disputes."

President TrumanPresident Truman

The United States backed Iran's protest against the Soviet Union. It was the first skirmish of the Cold War. US diplomat Averell Harriman remembered President Truman calling him into his office.

Harriman: "He said this is so serious that it may lead to war. Truman was very much alive to the dangers. And Iran was the point of the danger."

In the end Iranian diplomacy backed by American pressure persuaded the Soviets to pull back. But the crisis highlighted Iran's newfound strategic importance to the United States according to Mark Gasiorowski.

Gasiorowski: "The most important issue there as the Cold War grew was to create a kind of a containment belt to prevent the Soviet Union from expanding its influence southward toward the Persian Gulf. So the United States in the second half of the 1940s was building up its relationship with Iran, building up its plans to defend Iran and to keep the Soviet Union out."

Meanwhile another drama involving foreigners was unfolding inside Iran: the struggle for control of the nation's oil. Stephen Kinzer tells the story in his book All the Shah's Men.

there you are!!!

US created terrorists....and what about Israel? They help create them, too...

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarti...m?ItemID=10673

Israel's illegal occupation of Palestine created Hezoballah

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Hezbollah was born out of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 and the oppressive occupation that followed. It's a popular resistance movement, much like and in the same spirit as the French Resistance freedom fighters the Nazis called terrorists, formed to resist their illegal occupiers and expel them. Ever since, it's continued as an effective resistance force against the Israelis that finally withdrew from Lebanon in May, 2000 but maintained its occupation of the 25 square kilometer area of South Lebanon known as Shebaa Farms it never relinquished after seizing it in the 1967 war. Hezbollah, the Lebanese people and its government demand Israel give it back as well as cease its frequent hostile cross-border incursions, unjustifiable abductions, repeated violations of the country's airspace as well as end its current brutal assault and invasion of their country once again. To continue being an effective resistance force, Hezbollah remained armed, has every right to do so in its own self-defense whatever resolutions the UN passes, and will continue resisting Israeli oppression until it ends. It's now doing it against a vastly superior IDF invasion force in South Lebanon far more effectively than the Israeli government is willing to admit.

Now consider UN Resolutions 465 and 476. The Security Council unanimously adopted UN Resolution 465 in March, 1980 that addressed Israel's illegal occupation of the Palestinian territories of the West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem and the Syrian Golan Heights. Among other provisions in it, it condemned Israel's policy of "setting parts of its population and new Immigrants in those territories (and said doing so constituted) a flagrant violation of the fourth Geneva Convention relative to the protection of civilian persons in time of war and also constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace in the Middle East." It called on the government of Israel to "dismantle the existing settlements and in particular to cease....the establishment, construction and planning of (new) settlements in the Arab territories since 1967, including Jerusalem."

In the last 26 years, Israel has flagrantly violated this resolution and still continues to build new settlements illegally in the Palestinian Occupied Territories. The US supports and funds the Israeli government enabling it to do it, and the UN and world community have taken no action to bring Israel into compliance which it could do by imposing sanctions severe enough to force Israel to stop new settlement construction, dismantle the existing ones and make restitution to the Palestinians and Syrians for the harm caused them.

The Security Council also passed Resolution 476 in June, 1980. Like Resolution 465, it, too, reaffirms the necessity to end the Israeli occupation of Arab territories ongoing since the 1967 war. It went on to condemn Israel for its continued refusal to do it or to comply with the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions demanding it does. It repeated provisions detailed in Resolution 465 and reaffirmed its determination in the event of Israeli non-compliance to examine practical ways to get it to do so. Israel never complied, and the UN never took action to see that it did. Also, by its reinvasion of Lebanon now and its unending occupation of the Shebaa Farms area it's held since 1967, Israel is also in violation of UN resolution 425 and nine additional ones demanding the withdrawal of its forces from South Lebanon. The net effect of UN action - many relevant and high-sounding words and speeches amounting to nothing, at least when it concerns Israel.

The US and Israel have provoked anger and hatred from the oppressed people of the middle east and have endangered your and my life because of their decisions...

George O Well · #3 (**permalink**) 05-27-2007, 08:59 PM

Let's not forget that Suadi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE and several other countries in that region exist ONLY because of the U.S. And those are damn harsh dictatorships. I hate kings and princes just on the face of it.

bluedog · #4 (**permalink**) 05-27-2007, 10:11 PM

Only through the minds eye of a liberal.....get a clue...If any want to see why the people of the mideast hate us....just take a look close to home....as we speak....the influx of spanish culture..and its effect....how do we as a nation feel about this sudden influx of culture shock? You pick up a phone...you have two options...on spanish..one english...go to any government agency outpost....you have the option of spanish...Many are up in arms...we no more want our culture changed than the people of the mideast....its not the money or western investments into the oil industry....its the culture that comes along with it.....one can see the changes of just the last couple of decades...Labanon...Iraq....even Iran....in fact the fundamentalist hate us for they deem we are to liberal..and to open with our society....for Gods sake...women not only are allowed to walk beside their men....they can even vote and dictate thier wishs upon man...just to much for some to accept..

And to blame our culture for the terroritst acitivity....please anyone..at any time in our history....have we ever condoned the murder of innocents...or condoned suicide bombings....this all comes from this home grown culture of hate.....we do not brain wash them to use such tactics....it comes from the minds of those that hate us.....I know it is hard for the liberal to accept that anyone in the world hates them...it must be some one else....they possibly could not hate us...we defend them....the truth to the matter...it is you they hate the most....for corrupting thier society with hollywood movies..porn...womens rights.....please try to appese them some more....some of the people in hollywood would look good in burkas......just keep...finding reasons to blame ourselves....while they continue blowing themselves up...all in the name of God.....Clueless........BD

Cookie Parker · #5 (**permalink**) 05-28-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by George O Well

Let's not forget that Suadi Arabia, Kuwait, the UAE and several other countries in that region exist ONLY because of the U.S. And those are damn harsh dictatorships. I hate kings and princes just on the face of it.

Saudi Arabia can torture with the best of them. Which nation do you think is the nation of origin of AlQaeda?

And I think you're being a big American arrogant there....these nations existed LONG before anyone in Europe even KNEW the US existed.

Cookie Parker · #6 (**permalink**) 05-28-2007, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bluedog

Only through the minds eye of a liberal.....get a clue...If any want to see why the people of the mideast hate us....just take a look close to home....as we speak....the influx of spanish culture..and its effect....how do we as a nation feel about this sudden influx of culture shock? You pick up a phone...you have two options...on spanish..one english...go to any government agency outpost....you have the option of spanish...Many are up in arms...we no more want our culture changed than the people of the mideast....its not the money or western investments into the oil industry....its the culture that comes along with it.....one can see the changes of just the last couple of decades...Labanon...Iraq....even Iran....in fact the fundamentalist hate us for they deem we are to liberal..and to open with our society....for Gods sake...women not only are allowed to walk beside their men....they can even vote and dictate thier wishs upon man...just to much for some to accept..

And to blame our culture for the terroritst acitivity....please anyone..at any time in our history....have we ever condoned the murder of innocents...or condoned suicide bombings....this all comes from this home grown culture of hate.....we do not brain wash them to use such tactics....it comes from the minds of those that hate us.....I know it is hard for the liberal to accept that anyone in the world hates them...it must be some one else....they possibly could not hate us...we defend them....the truth to the matter...it is you they hate the most....for corrupting thier society with hollywood movies..porn...womens rights.....please try to appese them some more....some of the people in hollywood would look good in burkas......just keep...finding reasons to blame ourselves....while they continue blowing themselves up...all in the name of God.....Clueless........BD

OMG...you're young, aren't you?

These terrorist groups have existed LONG before now. And unless you are unable to read, there are PLENTY of historical books and online cites that will explain to you Britain and the US control over that region through covert activity to control the oil.

Nothing like a "bury the head in the sand" republican to get this nation in further mire and quagmire. Your attitude is exactly why we are failing as a nation today both internally and internationally.

Mom_Adams · #7 (**permalink**) 05-28-2007, 09:04 AM

I see all the same people are trying to re-write history again.

Cookie Parker · #8 (**permalink**) 05-28-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Mom_Adams

I see all the same people are trying to re-write history again.

Ah, really? Please feel free to post your facts, oh "If I say it wrong enough, long enough, everyone will believe me."

bluedog · #9 (**permalink**) 05-28-2007, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cookie Parker

OMG...you're young, aren't you?

These terrorist groups have existed LONG before now. And unless you are unable to read, there are PLENTY of historical books and online cites that will explain to you Britain and the US control over that region through covert activity to control the oil.

Nothing like a "bury the head in the sand" republican to get this nation in further mire and quagmire. Your attitude is exactly why we are failing as a nation today both internally and internationally.

Yea.....I'M young...in heart.....these terrorists groups existed long before the mass influx of development of the 20s and 30s?......just how many attacks are recorded in history before this time.....the nature of which we are now witness to? Slowly.....the people of the mid-east....have accepted our western culture and embraced it....well the ones that could afford it did....here rests the problem...the Kings...Dictators....Leaders...openly accepts the gifts of the west....the fundamenalist do not....they look at the west as a threat to their way of life....how many uprisings have we been witness of....how many conflicts...Iraq..Iran....one secular...the other conservative fundamentists...please....make sense...if you want to get to the root cause...and point fingers....look in the mirror...it is your way of life....they hate most. Even today the conflicts that are in open engagement of hostile action are of open and democratic societies....Lebanon....Israel...Iraq....Afgan. The proof is in the action...as to why they fight. BD

Scoody Boo · #10 (**permalink**) 05-28-2007, 12:54 PM

Islam has nothing to do with terror I guess.