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04-26-2007, 04:32 PM
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...And the best you have done was to confirm your childhood was as screwed up as you claim it was. What color was your mother's Camaro?
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Camaro? is dat wat u call hiz muddahz dick
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04-26-2007, 04:38 PM
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How so?
How is what I have outlined here any different than the way this country fought World War II? Are you saying that because this country had things like rationing, air raid wardens, civil defense drills, scrap metal drives and (nearly) universal manhood military service that Adolf Hitler and Hirohito won WWII?
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The war on terror is against an elusive, fanatical,global and probably never ending threat. Extend all the things you have listed above for ten or fifteen years, instead of the four or five during WWII.
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04-26-2007, 04:54 PM
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The war on terror is against an elusive, fanatical,global and probably never ending threat. Extend all the things you have listed above for ten or fifteen years, instead of the four or five during WWII.
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Not to mention, that the goals, objectives, strategies, and tactics were far different in WWII than in today's fight against terrorism mainly because the enemies are so different. It never amazes me how often people want to apply a WWII mindset to today's terrorism problem...they are world's apart.
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04-26-2007, 06:08 PM
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...And the best you have done was to confirm your childhood was as screwed up as you claim it was. What color was your mother's Camaro?
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What does either my childhood or my mother’s car have to do with terrorism or national security?
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04-26-2007, 08:38 PM
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11. Establish a national dress code and haircuts.
12. Eliminate all forms of entertain ment reserving the airwaves for daily state sponsored indoctrination instructions.
13. Confiscate personal vehicles to conserve energy
14. All vehicles are painted camoflage to match the reginal environment.
15. All citizens must be granted authority to relocate.
16. Change of employment must be authorized by local authorities.
17. No more than 2 children per household.
18. Every Saturday will be designated as disaster preparedness day.
19. All public displays of affection will be deemed unacceptable.
20. Those deemed mentally handicapped will be sterlized. The more severe will be euphanized.
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Yeah... this sounds like a wonderful evening in the Third Reigh.
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04-26-2007, 10:59 PM
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The war on terror is against an elusive, fanatical,global and probably never ending threat. Extend all the things you have listed above for ten or fifteen years, instead of the four or five during WWII.
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The war on terror is against an elusive, fanatical,global and probably never ending threat. Extend all the things you have listed above for ten or fifteen years, instead of the four or five during WWII.
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What difference does the nature of the enemy make? Shouldn’t our objectives be the same regardless of whom we are fighting?
A. Destroy the enemy’s ability to wage war against us
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B. Identify enemy targets and destroy them
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C. Protect civilian targets from enemy attack
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D. Take necessary precautions to lessen the effects of and insure a speedy recovery from any attack that may take place on a civilian target
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E. Keep the public as informed as possible to both prevent it from giving aid and comfort to the enemy and instill in it a dedication to the war effort in order to bring the war to a speedy and victorious conclusion
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F. Direct all socio-economic resources towards achieving A-E
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04-26-2007, 11:00 PM
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Yeah... this sounds like a wonderful evening in the Third Reigh.
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How so? Explain.
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04-26-2007, 11:10 PM
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Better intelligence is definately the key. Our intelligence capacity was all but wiped out in the mid 90's up to now. CIA is currently a laughing stock. We have NO eyes or ears on the ground in any of the countries where these murderers currently operate (if we do, it is VERY miniscule).
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04-26-2007, 11:40 PM
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What difference does the nature of the enemy make? Shouldn’t our objectives be the same regardless of whom we are fighting?
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It makes a big difference. This enemy is not at all like the Germans and the Japanese. They don't operate in formations, they are patient and deliberate believing time is on their side. And, worst of all, they intermingle with those we are trying to help and win over.
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A. Destroy the enemy’s ability to wage war against us
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B. Identify enemy targets and destroy them
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Well, we have a large, very capable force in Iraq as we speak. They certainly aren't fighting a force anywhere as capable conventionally as the Germans and Japanese....but, nonetheless, do you see the violence subsiding in Iraq?
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C. Protect civilian targets from enemy attack
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In the US? Well, an attack on US civilians won't come in the form of shells, bombs, and mortars....it will come in under the cover of innocence....and is very much more a law enforcement problem than a military one.
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D. Take necessary precautions to lessen the effects of and insure a speedy recovery from any attack that may take place on a civilian target
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E. Keep the public as informed as possible to both prevent it from giving aid and comfort to the enemy and instill in it a dedication to the war effort in order to bring the war to a speedy and victorious conclusion
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F. Direct all socio-economic resources towards achieving A-E
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Some of the objectives can be construed as the same as those in WWII, but the biggest difference is the means to achieving those objectives. Again, terrorist don't fight conventionally, they don't operate in formation; instead, they stay out of sight and bide their time. We rely very, very heavily on the civilian indigenous populations to provide us intelligence about these individuals.....we didn't do this with Germany and Japan....we didn't have to, they were part of the nation-state that was fighting us. That was very, very different type of conflict...easier to understand and fight, but not applicable to today's fight against terrorism.
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04-27-2007, 01:05 AM
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flaja, I agree that there are a lot of things Americans could/should be doing here at home. But the fact is, no one cares enough about terrorists anymore to put out more than $5.00 or ten minutes of their time and effort to even think about it. Heck, most people don't even think terrorism is real anymore and nanny government is as responsible for that as the apathetic people who are more concerned about whether they're going to get tickets to the next ball game, or if they'll get to take vaction this summer than what form of terrorism might take place here.
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