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Old 11-18-2006, 11:47 PM
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I’m tired of hearing about the "War on Terror". We haven't been fighting a war on terror. It might have started that way, but our presence in Iraq hasn't been a war on terror for a while now.

Maybe an "Occupation on Terror"...

We went into Iraq in retaliation for 9/11. It's that simple. I think part of it was how stunned we were by the attack in the first place. I think it was also important to the current administration that something be done as soon as possible (to appease the rest of us). We couldn't actually find Osama Bin Laden, and going after Saddam Hussein was the next best thing. Bin Laden could be in Iceland, for all we know. Meanwhile, we're struggling to protect a new democracy the country in question might not be equipped to handle in the first place.

Throw stones if you want. As far as I'm concerned, our "War on Terror" is no more a war on terror than the 9/11 attack was an "Attack on the Infidels". They weren't attacking us infidels. They were attacking our way of life, and they succeeded. Any time you walk into an airport, you'd know it. No meals on the plane, because a spork in the wrong hands...
Dangerous. Our continued presence in Iraq has pulled many mothers and fathers from their families, so you know their way of life has been screwed.

Regardless, whether or not we need to keep a presence in Iraq isn't my call. Personally, I don't think we need to. What we need to do now is pull the Hell out of Dodge. The only terror we need to worry about currently, is the terror this occupation has brought apon our budget.
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You premise that we went into Iraq for 9/11 retribution is unfounded and un supported.
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Old 11-19-2006, 12:43 AM
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You premise that we went into Iraq for 9/11 retribution is unfounded and un supported.

Pffft!
I suppose you're going to tell me we would still be in Iraq if 9/11 hadn't taken place? Don't be naive. The only argument I'd consider regarding what you're implying, is that Bush might have pushed to have us in Iraq regardless. After all, our President did have some unfinished family business over there.

Either way, I'm thinking we need to shorten the scope of our foreign policy. Too much money is being spent outside our borders, and freakin' Comic Relief can't solve all of the problems our government's been ignoring lately.
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The government today is being run by men and women hwo are trying to crush crime out of the youth by treating schools just like prisons with police officers and other official authorities. I beleive that this should be changed they should not be treated like convicts before they even have the chance to do the crimes they are being punished for. In wich case such more crime would be reduced if we treated our youth today with lessons why they shouldnt do crime instead of treating them like they have commited such crimes. I propose a world wide change to show the youth why moraly they shouldnt commit the crimes rather than treating them as if they know better if their parental figures wont teach them. We need, no must have this change done so that instead of threatening them they should teach them why they should not commit these crimes.-Lawrence Micheal Teague
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Old 11-19-2006, 01:15 AM
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Seema that we have a an unregistered troll that is posting this on several threads, whether it pertains or not.
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Old 11-19-2006, 01:17 AM
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Pffft!
I suppose you're going to tell me we would still be in Iraq if 9/11 hadn't taken place? Don't be naive. The only argument I'd consider regarding what you're implying, is that Bush might have pushed to have us in Iraq regardless. After all, our President did have some unfinished family business over there.

Either way, I'm thinking we need to shorten the scope of our foreign policy. Too much money is being spent outside our borders, and freakin' Comic Relief can't solve all of the problems our government's been ignoring lately.
Ahh how the parroted rhetoric lingers on!
I understand the chagrin over the negitive impact this war has produced.
The over-zealous tactic in the use of foot soldiers IS disconcerting and badly planned.
Ever since the clinton administration our intentions in the ME have been corrupted with political bargains and airstrikes, our military funds were cut for 8 years.
This is the conclusion folks.
You can not decree a war and a termination of UN sanctions on a country and maintain an inert military force.
Our inspections did not thwart hussein, he rejected our warnings and fraudulently exported oil for his own evil agendas.
He starved and tortured iraqi civilians with US funds, our fool for oil deal was an oil for blood deal.
The dismemberment of hussein and his government was inevidable, it was debated by gore and bush during the elections.
gore himself presented sadam hussein as a threat to the US and its neighboring countries.
9/11 may have excelerated the events in iraq but don't forget afganistan was our first reaction to 9/11, sadam and iraq came afterwards and this was a far neglected issue that became evident while our homeland was attacked.
Makes sense, unfortunately haste and lack of planning has revealed itself.
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Old 11-19-2006, 11:32 AM
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Ahh how the parroted rhetoric lingers on!.
To think, I've been going out of my way to refrain from making banana jokes.

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Ever since the clinton administration our intentions in the ME have been corrupted with political bargains and airstrikes, our military funds were cut for 8 years.
This one confused me slightly, because you weren't all that clear on exactly who you were talking about when you used the word "our". I was never in support of war or occupation in the middle east before we lost the twin towers in New York, and my support after 9/11 was tentative at best, because it didn't appear as though we were truly going after those directly responsible.
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Our inspections did not thwart hussein, he rejected our warnings and fraudulently exported oil for his own evil agendas.
Fine. So, why do we always have to be the ones to do something first? If anything was primarily responsible for 9/11, it was that we're constantly exposing ourselves on everybody's radar by moving in and playing big-brother to the world. While it's true Al-Qaeda probably would have hated the United States anyway, they probably wouldn't have moved to knock over the twins in New York, had we not already had military forces in so many other countries.
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He starved and tortured iraqi civilians with US funds, our fool for oil deal was an oil for blood deal.
I'm wasn't sure what you were trying to say, so I'll guess. You're saying that while Sadam was profiting from the sale of oil to our country (among others), he was torturing the citizens of his own country? I'm not sure why we need to care. Iraq had it's own internal issues, and their tyrant was one of them. People are supposed to rise up when they're being mistreated, not wait around for America to swoop in and save them. In the meantime, we need oil. Sometimes we need to do business with people we might have a problem with.
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The dismemberment of hussein and his government was inevitable, it was debated by gore and bush during the elections. Gore himself presented sadam hussein as a threat to the US and its neighboring countries.
Okay, I understood all of this, Bush and Gore thought Sadam was a threat to the US. Great. What we should have done was go in and fight to liberate Iraq for this reason, and not out of retaliation for acts against us by the Al-Qaeda, regardless of whatever unofficial ties there might have been between Qaeda and Sadam. Our president should have gone to Congress, and said "look, we have this tyrant in Iraq. Let's liberate them. Congress might have said yes, but if they told him no, that should have been the end of it. What we did instead, was use the terrorist attack of one, to justify a war with another. It's called false pretenses.
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9/11 may have excelerated the events in iraq but don't forget afganistan was our first reaction to 9/11, sadam and iraq came afterwards and this was a far neglected issue that became evident while our homeland was attacked.
Makes sense, unfortunately haste and lack of planning has revealed itself.
Unless I'm mistaken, our movements in Afganistan only took what, like under twenty days? It seems silly to even bring it up, considering how long it's taking us to wrap things up in Iraq.

Honestly, I don't even like the term Homeland. It sounds too much like fatherland. We're only using it repeatedly now because the term Homeland Security is being heard every other day on the news. I like this term even less. Any kind of initiatives started by our government out of fear, paranoia, and an overcompensation for our possible lack of vigilance in the past can't be good.
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Seema that we have a an unregistered troll that is posting this on several threads, whether it pertains or not.
Heh... "copy paste, copy paste, copy paste" Hope he has a program doing most of the work for him, poor pastard.
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...Comic Relief can't solve all of the problems our government's been ignoring lately.
LOL! Comic Relief can't even manage to be funny. Do comedians (and musicians) have to suck in order to be relevant? It is time to call a spade a spade though. We have declared war on a concept, not a known enemy. Attacking countries won't stop it. The ideas of terrorism still exist in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Hmmm...let's see: war on drugs?, war on poverty?, war on hunger? What might be next in the pattern of failures?
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LOL! Comic Relief can't even manage to be funny. Do comedians (and musicians) have to suck in order to be relevant? It is time to call a spade a spade though. We have declared war on a concept, not a known enemy. Attacking countries won't stop it. The ideas of terrorism still exist in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

Hmmm...let's see: war on drugs?, war on poverty?, war on hunger? What might be next in the pattern of failures?
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