It is true not all Muslims are terrorist, but almost all terrorist are muslim. I am sick an tired of hearing the muslims in my community cry about how they are being discriminated against since 9/ll. They hold rallies supporting Hezzbolah, and rallies cying out against the American goverment and people who look at Muslims suspiciously.It is not discriminatory to point out the potential that communities in Detriot are potential safe havens for hiding terrorists. If 19 green elephants hijacked planes and flew them into buildings anywhere in the world, I am pretty sure everyone including muslims would be pretty suspicious of green elephants getting on planes after that. Maybe the muslim community should redirect even a small percent of the anger and efforts they have aimed at us, and directe it towards the people who are using their religion to commit murder and recruit others to commit murder. Yeah sure we have all heard the small number of Muslims who have publicly condemed terror, but the voices that scream and cry about being "discriminated" against are much much louder. Maybe Americans would be less suspicous of Muslims, if just some of them were screaming just as loud and holding rallies against the abusers of Islam, instead of directing it at the targets of people who abuse Islam. They convince prople God wants them to commit terror and recruit others using revised Islamic text as a reason to commit more terror. What young Muslim could turn down a place in heaven with 72 virgins, and to become a hero and legend among the MUSLIM community. The Muslim community claims to be against militant Islamic groups, then they have thousands show up for rallies for Hezbollah and against terror racial profiling. I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE RALLY BY A MUSLIM GROUP YELLING AND SCREAMING AT OTHER MUSLIMS WHO ABUSE THEIR SACRED RELIGION, CAUSING AMERICANS TO LOOK SUSPICOUSLY AT MUSLIMS. I know I am repeating myslef, but maybe that is what it takes to make a point. Moderate muslims are the key to the war on terror. The question is can they defend their religion by going after those who abuse their religion with the same determination as the terrorist have in their attacks against us. I hope so, because If Iraq becomes a moderate muslim state as opposed to becoming a terror state, we will minimize terrorism. Eliminating it all together would mean our boys will never come home, because Isam reaches all corners of the earth.

the whole argument hinges on the moderate of iraq?? are there moderates in iraq? how many? what is a moderate in iraqi culture compared against western values? why would anyone adventure into war with the pivot point being dependent on moderate islamics in the middle east?
questions,questions

Detroit had a big bust up of terrorists. I can understand why the Muslims
in that area are defensive of their religion, they are catergorized as
terrorists. The terrorists are hiding behind a religion not acting in the
name of religion. The Detroit suburbs are wealthy, the Muslims have their reputations and businesses to protect by also need to out the bad weeds.
Remember a time when all Christians were persecuted? It's sad, a few bad apples spoils the barrel. Isam will not reach all corners of the earth, our soldiers and allies will all come home.

A moderate in Iraq supports democracy and rejects the use of Islam as reason for murder. They are the people who reject the philosophy of Iran and all of Iran sponsered states in the middle east. They reject poeple who cause non muslims to associate all Muslims with terror. It doesn't suprise me that it might just be too much for your closed mind to comprehend. Who the hell do you think we expect to be in control when we leave. Muslims who just want to co exist in thier own corner of the world instead causing most of the world conflicts. Get a clue!

Islam has alreasy reached all corners of the, therefore there are places to hide. The is no doubt we will win, But you can kill every terrorist in earth that is just not reasonable thinking, we have to be realistic.

so the question is simple....do you believe there to be more moderates in iraq than radicals? if so why havnt they destroyed the insurgency? why havnt they taken their streets back from al sadr?why does the insurgency continue to destroy the nation one piece at a time? will the moderates of iraq please stand up and defend your position. they seem to be getting their ass kicked.over and over we have to roll in to their aid.maybe we are outnumberd.
the plan you support depends on enemies of each other and of ourselves to come together and build a democracy.
to much for me to comprehend..........your good intentions or the reality of radical islam?

Christianty and many other religions have also reached all four corners of the earth.

http://www.islam101.com/
http://www.islam.com/

http://geneva.rutgers.edu/src/christianity/
http://www.christianity.com/

The moderates aren't standing up for their counrty, that is the problem. I was trying to get the point across that if Iraq is to become success, the moderates need to take more action. We cannot fight over there forever, if they won't fight for their country, then the whole war could turn out to be a disaster. What would your plan be, or are you just like the rest to them. Critizising and complaing while comeing up with no ideas of what you would do. I hope you can give me something better then leaving before the plan we have has a chance to work out. I am not giving up on the Iraqi people yet, but time is limited. Go ahead proove us all that you aren't like the rest of them.

I see your point Mikeydude but it is not right to compare "moderate", Islamic culture with western values. And lets be honest, as it is still a peach of a debate in interpreting what the Constitution of the USA says. So here we are without any true definition of "western values", demanding that they are more like us. Just because there is a mosque within walking distance from me, does not mean Islam is here. It means the group of Muslims that gather there needed their place of worship.
We cannot allow the moderates in Iraq to simply gather arms and go out and battle the insurgents. That is anarchy. They need to establish a national protocol, where it is not a scenario of revenge on the oppressors from Saddam's time but a nation of just laws that they believe, honest policing that all can abide by and the importance of understanding that any individual has the right to question those in power.
Imagine a cache of chemicals that when combined make a bomb, that is Iraq. Without the allied forces there right now, who will keep it defused. When Iraq takes one step, the moderates will see and they will take the next. You take out the forces now, especially the US Marines and the moderates will have to arm themselves, there is no solution there. Iraq will come to honour those that gave their lives for their freedom and we should expect nothing else from them.

Well said, we have to proove to the moderates that we aren't going to bail and them and let them down. Like we did in Afgahanistan after the Russians pulled out, so dis America. Only after our on purpose was filled. That is a mistake we are still paying for today.