I wish all those involved a safe journey home and I hope they all come back..

Ditto!!!!!!!!!!

the fact that moderates are not taking control of their nation means YOUR idealogy failed. your plan is dependent on these moderates. silly. if you want everyone to support you give them something to fight for. victory.

i have a plan of what to do....stop the worry over democracy find and destroy any and all who oppose you. not for awhile but for a long while. if you are not willing...and it looks that your not.....then you really have no business sending people into combat. you must not yeild in combat. you must meet and surpass the brutality of your enemy.we are not doing these things and i fear we never will......
in wwII we did not worry about democracy for germany,italy or japan until we crushed them....completly

how much more time does your small little plan have to work itself out? 20 to 30 years??? crap

Just because people with my ideology concieved the plan doesn't mean I don't think it is possible that it can fail. I believe we will succeed, but admit it could fail. If Something my people do fails I can admit the failure. If my people fail, I at least know we did the best we could. The problem with your plan is we can kill every terrorist who engage in each individual battle with, and more sneak into the country for Iran. If you really think we need to kill everyone who is sending in insurgents, then you must be saying we should invade Iran and Syria. They will never stop sending in people. That is a pretty weak plan. Your comparisson to ww2 is ridiculous, after the Germans were destroyed, more Germans weren't poured in from other countries. The Germans were all from Germany, the japanese were all in Japan, and the Italians were all from Italy. We destroyed their resistence, then helped rebuild them. The people we are fighting in Iraq are from Iraq, Iran, and many other melting pots. under your plan we should just keep killing an endless amount of people until they are all dead, but they will keep coming. The reason they will keep coming is because they are fighting for a ideology and a religion, not one specific country. Do you see the obvious, can you admit that your idea is unattainable. Our plan is to fight the insugents until the moderates are strong enough to fight them on their own. They can stay there and keep fighting the endless supply, becasue they are in their own country and will have a country to defend. Therefore they will keep defending it and we can go home. You said how long should we stay working on our plan 20-30 years. My answer is I don't know, you can't set premature deadlines the enemy can use. Your plan of fighting them until there is noone else to fight would take longer than your comment about 20-30 years. Our plan at least has a chance, and it could fail. Then I will admit a plan developed by my people failed. I will know however that we had a reasonable plan as opposed to your unattainble plan of killing everyone until there is nobody left. The islamic extremist children are so easily recruited that they have an endless supply of people to send into Iraq. You have no possible ground to stand on, unless you think we should invade every middle eastern country where terror is raised including Iran, and you couldn't possibly think that would be a good idea. i will give you credit for coming up with something though. The GOP is far from perfect and makes mistakes, do your people mistakes or are they perfect?

i do not want to pull troops from iraq......as long as it seems the iraqi people are fighting against radicals and terrorists......but at the moment it seems the opposite.
you say anarchy...i say is combat. if your childs heads lay on the ground you just might find it too much to support your weak goverment. this is war. no time for some modern analysis of military and govermental protocol. the isnurgency is shreding the dream of iraq. as i have said the insurgency needs to be crushed. without security there is no freedom. without freedom there is no democracy. without democracy there is no point.
one step at a time.

republicans have called the war on terror ...wwIII. that the threat that radical islam poses rises to the level of previous nations and madmen that threatend the planet. so.......fight it like a world war or stop pretending your response is comparable. you make my points for me. terrorist will forever pour over the borders of iraq. so......why continue to fight it on their terms? either fight it to win or dont bother. a half assed effort returns half assed results.

who are my people?? i often stand alone......but i have voted for many o clown

I agree with fight to win or don't fight. I was simply saying your point of kill them all until they are all dead was impossible. We have to train moderate Iraqis to fight so we can go home. You critisized that view, saying destroy until there is nothing left to destroy. THe reality is to minimize the threat, then train the Iraq people to keep it minimized then go home. You can only minimize them, because they have and endless supply. We both want the same thing in the end. Maybe now that Rummy is gone the generals can fight to win.

you dont have to kill all of them.......saddam did not kill everyone in iraq. the threat of ones death is often just as good as ones death. the people of iraq knew without question that if they challenged saddams rule they would die. end of story. now dont get me wrong i know there are NONE who want to rule iraq in this manner.....but.....i fear the only way to rule iraq with its present borders...is at the end of a tank barrel.....and that my friend is the mistake of george w bush. to believe there are enough moderates in iraq to squelch the insurgency and hold up and support a free goverment is a catastrophic blunder. now there are no good solutions.sometimes you get one shoot at doing something right.....the rest is just damage control.
the political victories fade.........all that is left is to flex military might over these religous thugs. make everyone fear your return.there again is the great circle.....whip the great militant and become the great militant.
in combat you want to keep the goals simple. making iraq into a democracy is not simple.

Exactly it Mikeydude, one step at a time. Which is why I mentioned not arming the moderates immidiately. If for example the "moderates" (that is a fucking ugly word), if the people who are not extremists on either coat of the religious divide, are a mere 50% of the population, they will need the support of the fringe element that can no longer stand the pain and suffering by standing up, then Iraq will be a conscious nation. Until then it is a land where the coallition forces struggle to keep barriers between the fractured peoples of the society. The US Marines are nothing more than Walking Targets, they are all Point Men, not just for their Buddies, who will take the opposition down once it has become uncovered but for every individual Iraqii who can see what They have Sacrificed. It is tragic and it will stay that way, until the time comes to give the job to those in Iraq who are prepared to stand in Their stead. It would be most tragic if the people of Iraq do not take this step soon as no member of the coallition would stay or should stay. And so you understand Mikeydude, soon is not tomorrow or the day after, it is just not now. The rest about our own retaliation, the asskicking you want to hand out, I can only imagine your grief, I can't begin to imagine the pain that those who have lost somebody dear to them is feeling, there is only the hope that it will succeed. The asskicking was handed down and out by both of the Presidents, Bush, in the schoolyard. You don't give an asskicking in a childcare centre.