Rasta Starts this new thread with an unusual and easily disproved assertion.. oops.. an obvious re-circulation of a "progressive" media story.
_ SO it is an attempt just what we assert about leftist partisans ( and their conceptual perspective ) and how they spread the propaganda of self expressed "concerned citizens".

So let's see.. Common dreams says THIS about themselves..
""
Common Dreams is a national non-profit citizens' organization working to bring progressive Americans together to promote progressive visions for America's future. Founded in 1997, we are committed to being on the cutting-edge of using the internet as a political organizing tool - and creating new models for internet activism.""
ANd look at the little lead blurb>>"" Reclaiming the Issues:
Islamic or Republican Fascism"" by Thom Hartmann..

And we thought George and all the other lefties were coming to their own independent conclusions..
{{{ ANd the THOM HArtmann trash ( besides being a rehash of every threads attempt at reasoning) is to a great extent based on THIS false and illogically leading assertion by..
( surprise!! a soviet sympathizing American who was FDR's Vice President!!!)
here:: "" Vice President Wallace bluntly laid out his concern about the same happening here in America in his 1944 Times article:
" If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. ... They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead."
"".. }}}}}
and it IS the vehicle of and run by .... Congressman Tom Andrews( a press release that doesn't seem to find much time about his affiliation or his record..)
except one issue. And it turns out that there is a link to THIS site.." http://www.winwithoutwarus.org/

and strangely enough.. this seems to have a political agenda.
Our Mission
Win Without War is a coalition of national organizations representing broad constituencies that aim to Keep America Safe by advocating that international cooperation and enforceable international law provide the greatest security for the United States and the world. The coalition offers a mainstream, patriotic voice for engaging opinion makers, activating concerned citizens, and communicating effectively to the media.
What We Support
We are patriotic Americans who are committed to a U.S. foreign policy that embodies our nation's highest ideals. We oppose the militarization of our foreign policy and its effects at home and abroad. We share the commitment to countering terrorism and weapons proliferation, but oppose the doctrine of unilateral military preemption. We believe that international cooperation and enforceable international law provide the greatest security for the United States and the world, and the greatest opportunity for people to live in free, healthy, and just societies.
... They like groups to join, but Tom Andrews controls the steering commitee.
""To join, organizations must have national scope, be nonpartisan, multipartisan, or bipartisan, and must agree to our mission and political statements. The full committee is supported by a small steering committee and two co-chairs, Susan Shaer, Women's Action for New Directions, and Robert Edgar, National Council of Churches. Tom Andrews, former Member of Congress, is national director of the coalition.""

And this obvious partisan website has a list of member groups..
This "non-profit" organization ( 80 mil of donations..)
is made up of a number of members..
All groups and they seem to have a shared agenda. They certainly all have the same perspectives, and terminology.
Here, if you don't want to go..
Hmm..Here's 20/20.. an enviro-democracy activist "fun!" bunch giving you the talking points..
"" 20/20 Vision makes grassroots activism easy for busy people. We give citizens the information and tools they need to get involved on important issues like reducing air pollution from cars and power plants, keeping dangerous pesticides out of our food, limiting nuclear arms and making our country more secure. Our alerts tell you how to contact politicians and corporate officials and quickly and easily tell them you’re watching them on an urgent issue.Best of all, we engage activists through creative online and offline strategies and make it fun!
""
Hey they have a puff press release on Dem Sen Joe Biden
on their front page...
And he is such a measured and well spoken statesman.
This is American Friends.. Internet Quakers!.. and surprise!.. They start out touchy feely nice slogans of 'goodness'
and then becomes quite explicit in their political agenda.. their complaints, and their vague and happy slogans of solutions..

""The American Friends Service Committee is a practical expression of the faith of the Religious Society of Friends (Quakers). Committed to the principles of nonviolence and justice, it seeks in its work and witness to draw on the transforming power of love, human and divine..""
and .. surprise!!!.. Every one of their major tenets and agendas "sound " wonderful and ..
they just don't really make logical connections..
But they definitely all are similar.
ANd the ""American -Arab Anti Discrimination Committee""
adc.org
All of THEIR propagandstically slanted editorials have an underlying message. And strangely enough..
We have heard echoes ( almost verbatim ) from this sites commentaries..
But Mary Rose Oakar as Ohioan apparatchik actually
"flew on Air Force One" with Bill Clinton.

""

oh and there's more..It took less time to read all this than to assemble it...

"" Conference (( hey there's that group name again )Of Major Superiors Of Men ( CMSM)
http://www.cmsm.org/about.shtml
Hey here is a unique one..
Started by Leo Szilard , Austrian Jew physicist, he helped on the Manhattan Projetc. But then he rejected it and all nuclear research ( apparently by the US, if not the USSR )..
He organized the Council For Abolishing War..( in 1962 during the Missile Crisis)..( a surprise?)
It morphed into Council For A Livable World.
and of course.. they have an explicit agenda too.
And are quite determined to get their words out into the "grassroots"

And here's the non-partisan and contemplative
Feminists Majority...AKA feminists.org

Quite subjective, narrow and yet so all-encompassingly identical to so MANY leftist sites.
First petition..an Abortion campaign for accessibilty, etc
Interesting principles..But also rather abstractly narrow-minded..
"" The principles of the Feminist Majority and Feminist Majority Foundation are the following:
FMF promotes equality between women and men and girls and boys, and supports constitutional and statutory measures to gain full equality locally, statewide, nationally, and globally.
FMF supports safe, legal and accessible abortion, contraception, and family planning, including Medicaid funding and access for minors.
FMF is dedicated to achieving civil rights for all people, including affirmative action programs for women and people of color.
The FMF supports lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights.
FMF does not permit discrimination on the basis of sex, race, sexual orientation, socio-economic status, religion, ethnicity, age, marital status, national origin, or disability.
FMF promotes non-violence and works to eliminate violence against women.
The FMF encourages programs directed at the preservation of the environment, clean air and water, the elimination of smog, toxic and hazardous waste, chemical and nuclear weaponry.
The FMF supports workers' collective bargaining, pay equity, and the end of sweatshops.
""This is a MS magazine pseudo- forum... the president is Eleanor Smeal a dedicated "women's rights leader"..
And what a surprise..
She was a past NOW president!
Now thats a citizen with none of that compromising softness.
She is also agenda driven..

Here is another:
Fourth Freedom.org
and their mission:

Our Goal
The Forum's goal is a more civilized world based on the force of law, rather than the law of force. Believing that economic power is greater than military might, the Forum advocates the effective use of economic incentives and sanctions in creating a more secure and peaceful future.
""Our Mission
The Fourth Freedom Forum's mission is to encourage discussion, development and dissemination of ideas that will free humanity from the fear of war. The emphasis is on barring armed aggression and eliminating nuclear and other weapons of mass murder through enforceable international law. A primary Forum focus is the utilization of economic incentives and sanctions to establish the rule of law, provide a reliable and humane system of enforcement and promote the international cooperation that contributes to the progress of civilized society.
--Howard S. Brembeck""
They have three central Voices..Of Course..Its Howard who is THE forum..
and what a coincidence.. He wrote a book promoting his "ideals"
and David Cortright.. another prolific churner-out-of-peacenik propaganda..
and Alistair Millar vp and director ( i.e. DC lobbyist )"" Fourth Freedom Forum, an independent research organization that sponsors scholarly conferences and research fellowships to promote awareness of global security issues. He has written several articles and reports on sanctions, incentives and nuclear nonproliferation, focusing on nonstrategic nuclear weapons control. ""
Oh.. and that Fourth freedom?
apparently it's FDR's new interpretations ( for Americans, anyway ),
That is:
Freedom FROM FEAR of weapons and war.Hmm.
There are some more::
Greenpeace..
MoveOn..
NAACP
National Council of Churches..( in their own words.. "ecumenical".. and concerned about poverty..
as well as grassroots communion community. )
National Gay and Lesbian Task Force
Physicians for Social Responsibility
Psychologists For Social Responsibility
Heres there agenda:: "" PsySR uses psychological knowledge and skills to promote peace with social justice at the community, national and international levels.
View a PowerPoint Presentation on PsySR's mission, goals, and strategies
Through our Action Committees and Steering Committee we work to:

Apply the growing body of knowledge about conflict resolution and violence prevention.
Facilitate positive changes for victims and survivors of personal, community, and civil violence.
Advocate for basic human needs - including actions that decrease poverty, ensure ethnic and gender equality,
increase work opportunity, promote healthy and sustainable environments, and achieve a wiser balance
between human needs and military budgets.
Ensure that relevant information from psychology is used in local, national, and international public po
"" And surprise they are DC lobbyist etc too!
ANd the jewish peaceniks!:
Tikkun org..
An excerpt of THEIR unique and insightful agenda:: "" Many of us are involved in or greatly admire the accomplishments of social change movements like the peace movement, the women's movement, the environmental movement, the movement for economic justice, the civil rights movement, the gay rights movement, the labor movement, struggles for civil liberties, and the disability rights movement, to name just a few. ""
True Majority..
And they say:: "" We started TrueMajority in order to compound the power of all those who believe in social justice, giving children a decent start in life, protecting the environment, and America working in cooperation with the world community.
""
UsFoundation..
their mission:; "" Our mission is to raise the awareness of and to promote and create action to support the highest common good, and the interconnectedness of all. Us Foundation serves as a network and consultant for people, organizations and businesses that are aligned with this mission, so they can unite their energies to further the transformation to a mutually responsible and cooperative global society. Our focus is on the rebalancing of our values, to encourage the integration of head, heart and spirit in all our interactions. We seek to address the overemphasis on technology to solve all problems, many of which have been caused by technology itself. We use electronic communications to reach large numbers of people, and also sponsor action oriented forums for people who have large spheres of influence to effect change.
""
And check THIS one out..its luminaries include
Robert Muller ( former ASSistant secretary general UN)
US Sen Alan Cranston ( now deceased, he was a Chair
of the Gorbachev Foundation,USA-Kyrgyz Business Council..
any surprise to being a quisling..
He was a "peace activist"?

and this will end back with thommy boy::
but more of their agendaand their diverse voices..:

...........................................
Now mind you this is a list of the leftist stream and "echo chamber" that reverberates aross America..
AND DEFINITELY the rest of the worlds media.
THIS is their editorial in Sept 2001.
http://[URL="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/1915-01.htm"]www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0915-01.htm[/url]
it is in their archives.

and for the sullen:
Published on Saturday, September 15, 2001 by Reuters
Bush Vows Broad, Sweeping, Sustained Campaign
by Alan Elsner WASHINGTON/NEW YORK - President Bush on Saturday vowed a ``sweeping, sustained and effective'' campaign against those behind this week's terror attack on the United States, as rescue workers sifted wreckage and lifted body parts from New York's World Trade Center, where thousands remain entombed.
As winds of war strengthened, Bush for the first time singled out Saudi-born militant Osama bin Laden, holed up in Afghanistan under the protection of its radical Islamic government, as a prime suspect behind the attacks. Bush warned bin Laden he would not be able to hide from America's wrath.
Fearful Afghans began fleeing the country. Their hardline Taliban rulers threatened to wage a holy war against anyone helping Washington launch attacks on their country.
In his weekly radio address and in comments to reporters, Bush stepped up his rhetoric to its highest pitch since Tuesday's attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, which have left hundreds confirmed dead and almost 5,000 people still unaccounted for.
``Those who make war against the United States have chosen their own destruction,'' Bush declared.
``We are planning a broad and sustained campaign to secure our country and eradicate the evil of terrorism, and we are determined to see this conflict through.
``I will not settle for a token act. Our response must be sweeping, sustained and effective. ... You will be asked for your patience, for the conflict will not be short. You will be asked for resolve, for the conflict will not be easy. You will be asked for your strength because the course to victory may be long,'' the president said.
In brief additional remarks to reporters, Bush spoke for the first time about bin Laden, the multi-millionaire who has devoted his fortune to attacking U.S. targets in the name of a radical anti-western, fundamentalist ideology.
Bush said: ``He is what we would call a prime suspect. If he thinks he can hide from the United States, and our allies, he will be sorely mistaken.
In New York, meanwhile, where the heart-breaking work of excavating the wreckage continued, family members of those missing were asked to bring in hairbrushes, toothbrushes or clothing of their loved ones to help in DNA identification of body parts.
PAKISTAN ON BOARD
Stepping up diplomatic efforts to build an international coalition for the forthcoming military onslaught, the United States secured the crucial agreement of Pakistan, which borders Afghanistan, to back its efforts.
The United States has sought from Pakistan permission for military overflights and a closing of its border with Afghanistan, among other items.
``We put before the Pakistan government a specific list of things we would like cooperation on and they have agreed to all those items. The Pakistan government was very forthcoming and we're appreciative,'' said Secretary of State Colin Powell.
For its part, Pakistan said it would comply with United Nations Security Council resolutions on the terror attacks. ``The government will discharge its responsibilities under international law,'' Foreign Minister Abdul Sattar said, adding that he did not expect Pakistan to take part in military operations outside its borders.
At ground zero in Manhattan, gray and brown clouds of smoke and dust continued to billow from the rubble of what were once New York's tallest buildings, and a stench rose from the site. The dust from mountains of ash continued to drift up and down the island, raising fears about air quality.
Almost four days after hijacked planes brought the massive 110-story skyscrapers crashing to the ground, the rescuers had made only a small dent in their task of clearing the wreckage.
Bush's visit to the site Friday lifted morale among rescue workers who greeted his speech with chants of ``USA! USA!''
Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik said the number of missing had fallen to 4,717. He said 124 people were confirmed dead, 59 of them identified, but did not explain why the figure was lower than the 184 bodies reported on Thursday. No survivors have been found since Wednesday.
At least 190 people are believed to have died when hijackers crashed a third plane into the Pentagon near Washington. Forty five more died in a fourth plane that crashed in Pennsylvania after passengers fought with hijackers and foiled their plan to crash into another landmark building.
India has also signaled it is ready to let the United States use its military bases. India could provide a large base for any military strike at Afghanistan, but U.S. jets would still have to cross Pakistani airspace to reach Afghanistan.
Aides to bin Laden, accused of engineering attacks on U.S. embassies in Africa in 1998 from his Afghanistan headquarters, this week denied involvement in the carnage, which bin Laden described as ``punishment from almighty Allah.''
U.S. TELLS OTHER NATIONS TO CHOOSE SIDES
Washington's message to other nations, including Arab and Islamic states, is that they must choose sides. In the coming storm, they are being told they must either back the United States or risk diplomatic and economic isolation.
Congress late on Friday authorized Bush to use ``all necessary and appropriate force'' against those responsible for Tuesday's attacks. Bush, leading a national day of prayer and remembrance, vowed ``to rid the world of evil.''
Meanwhile, the nation remained wrapped in mourning. Most weekend sporting events were canceled, including Major League baseball and National Football League play -- which never happened throughout World War II or in response to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
Commercial flights resumed, but at less than half their former capacity.
In New York, technicians planned to test trading and computer systems in readiness for the planned reopening of the stock exchange and financial markets on Monday. Analysts predicted great volatility and said it was not certain the systems would hold up under the pressure.
The FBI on Friday named 19 hijackers, including seven pilots, who commandeered the four airliners used in Tuesday's terror attacks, sought to question more than 100 people and made the first arrest in the investigation, a witness said to have ``material'' information on the suicide attacks.
Search crews on Friday found the cockpit voice recorder of United Airlines Flight 93 at the Pennsylvania crash site, an FBI spokeswoman said. Officials had earlier found the flight data recorder from the aircraft.
GREEN LIGHT FROM OUTRAGED CONGRESS
With one dissenting voice, an outraged U.S. House of Representatives gave final congressional approval to a use-of-force resolution that won unanimous Senate backing earlier in the day.
Short of a formal declaration of war, the measure gave Bush the green light to strike both individuals and nations he determines ''planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks.''
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld activated 35,000 reservists out of 50,000 authorized by Bush to provide ``strike-alert'' jet fighter protection and perform other duties at domestic military bases.
An FBI spokeswoman said the discovery by search crews of the cockpit voice recorder in Pennsylvania raised the possibility further details would be learned of the drama on board. She said the device was located 25 feet (8 meters) below ground and had been sent to Washington for review.
Pennsylvania's two U.S. senators said the doomed passengers of the hijacked airliner that crashed near Pittsburgh could be awarded America's highest civilian honors after apparently thwarting an attack on a U.S. landmark.
Copyright © 2001 Reuters Limited

I guess they forgot what they reported THEN.

By the 16th.. they were back to usual:""

Published on Sunday, September 16, 2001 in the Los Angeles Times
'War Is Not the Answer,' Pacifists Tell Their Fellow Mourners
Joining a candlelight vigil near Greenwich Village, hundreds plead for a nonviolent response.

by Matea Gold

""
And by the 23rd they were reporting European peaceniks mobilizing( of course, if you recall, this was therir propaganda to rabble-rouse..the crowds were always the idle malcontents with a dash of committed activist "committees.

And the 25th, it was "war On Poverty is Key to the Struggle Ahead, conference told " by Michael White 25 Sept 2001.

ANd the THOM HArtmann trash ( besides being a rehash of every threads attempt at reasoning) is to a great extent based on THIS false and illogically leading assertion by..
( surprise!! a soviet sympathizing American who was FDR's Vice President!!!)
here:: "" Vice President Wallace bluntly laid out his concern about the same happening here in America in his 1944 Times article:
" If we define an American fascist as one who in case of conflict puts money and power ahead of human beings, then there are undoubtedly several million fascists in the United States. There are probably several hundred thousand if we narrow the definition to include only those who in their search for money and power are ruthless and deceitful. ... They are patriotic in time of war because it is to their interest to be so, but in time of peace they follow power and the dollar wherever they may lead."
""..
What obvious and concerted propagandistic ..
"grassroots" activism..
No common agenda there, right?
Funny how similar their terminology and their conceptual perspective is.
hmmph..

Just in case you forgot what he said then..

here let me paraphrase:

""""Awww,Pdub, whats the point in blowing all that at us?"""""

If there are literally scores of these artificially spontaneous "grassroots" activists..

ANY time we entertain THEIR perspective..
THEY win in framing the debate AND the terminology.

They can always retreat to indignant righteousnes..
""" You won't answer my question .. so you must be a blowhard extremist, bigot, missing-chromosomed, KKK, neo-conthug, etc """"
oh, and a """ baby-killing murdering Imperialistfascistnazi """"

Now is there a possibility that there is a concerted media campaign that is very sophisticated?
Thats why such as Rasta's parroting is NOT an independent "mindset".

Gee PhilosopherWarrior, take a deep breath 6 post in a row! almost makes it look as if you're talking to yourself.

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I didn't notice, rasta, did you address
what I have shown about your sources?

All of the threads get started by a dedicated few resenters.. They couch the same shallow but clearly facile rhetoric..
Whatever website they use..
I have researched commondreams before.. It seems that the connections between these unproductive socialists ARE as easy to see as looking at their members and their mission..
and then peruse the actual actions they espouse and promote and beg donations for.
It took a lot less time to read the links from one activist to the next agendas..
The posts are limited to 10000 words and so I had to cut them into smaller parts... Still a great slew of excerpts that are a fraction of essays, articles, interviews, polemics, and exhortations,;
all carefully ( or not ) designed to influence the American culture..
one mind at a time.
This is a rough-cut culling , but more than circumstantial evidence of ideological and politically concerted agendas across a score of theoretically disparate "committees".

Lets just face it killing people and killing your self and think it's the right thing to do. Is a little nuts. And, I wonder what God think of this. Killing people becuase you don't like there country or them. Is a little nuts.

My God whoever The Warrior is must be on speed or something. I will not bother to register but scanning all the blogs and forums that gibberish takes the award.