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05-08-2008, 06:52 PM
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they have caused the death of more people who did absolutely nothing wrong then any other government in history. Society is just all fucked up. Just what we did in Vietnam was worse than the Holocaust but nobody wants to recognize stone cold facts like that
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For once I sort of agree with "carson": our actions in Vietnam were almost as terrible as the Holocaust, they were certainly terrible & immoral. The whole "Shock & Awe" business was terrible & immoral: Dresden fire Bombing was pretty terrible & killed more then Hiroshima by a cruel burning death: the USA was not very humanitarian to the American Indians: And there are lots more of these type examples. ...pjwky |
05-09-2008, 01:56 AM
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We all think of muslim extremists when we talk about terrorism.
but would anyone here use the words 'terror', 'terroism', or 'terorists' to identify other tactics, groups, or people?
if so, what or who?
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Funny, but I think of white Christian fundamentalists.
Tim McViegh is especially iconic. Why don't you see every person who looks like this as a terrorist?
 
Bush has made sure that millions of Iraqis see people that look like McViegh as terrorists. |
05-09-2008, 11:34 AM
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Funny, but I think of white Christian fundamentalists.
Tim McViegh is especially iconic. Why don't you see every person who looks like this as a terrorist?
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Simple answer because Tim McVeigh was not a terrorist
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05-09-2008, 03:21 PM
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Simple answer because Tim McVeigh was not a terrorist
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So, as McViegh did what Mark Rudd, Bernardine Dohrn, John Jacobs, Bill Ayers, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Karen Ashley, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, and Steve Tappis wanted to do, what do you call them.
If not terroist, are Tim McVeigh, Mark Rudd, Bernardine Dohrn, John Jacobs, Bill Ayers, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Karen Ashley, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, and Steve Tappis what you would call patriots?
And what sets them apart from Mohamed Atta? Was Otta not a patriot because he wasn't a US citizen? Or was Atta not a patriot because he wasn't a Christian?
Your response sure opens up a lot of questions about your reasoning on the topic of who is and isn't a terrorist. |
05-09-2008, 03:26 PM
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So, as McViegh did what Mark Rudd, Bernardine Dohrn, John Jacobs, Bill Ayers, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Karen Ashley, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, and Steve Tappis wanted to do, what do you call them. No names that nobody gives a shit about.
If not terroist, are Tim McVeigh, Mark Rudd, Bernardine Dohrn, John Jacobs, Bill Ayers, Jim Mellen, Terry Robbins, Karen Ashley, Jeff Jones, Gerry Long, and Steve Tappis what you would call patriots? Tim McVeigh at least, I don't know anything about those other guys
And what sets them apart from Mohamed Atta? Was Otta not a patriot because he wasn't a US citizen? Or was Atta not a patriot because he wasn't a Christian? I didn't say he wasn't a patriot of his country but America was not his country
Your response sure opens up a lot of questions about your reasoning on the topic of who is and isn't a terrorist.
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It sure does
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05-09-2008, 03:59 PM
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It sure does
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hmmm, so you take the position that Muslims are patriots only if they commit acts of terrorism? |
05-09-2008, 10:13 PM
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Simple answer because Tim McVeigh was not a terrorist
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he is most definatly a terrorist
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05-14-2008, 03:48 PM
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hmmm, so you take the position that Muslims are patriots only if they commit acts of terrorism?
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FYI Muslims are members of a relegion. Patriotism refers to a specific country while relegions does not. Your question makes no sense
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05-14-2008, 03:49 PM
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he is most definatly a terrorist
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How you figure? Because he had the balls to tell the government fuck you
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05-15-2008, 03:06 AM
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How you figure? Because he had the balls to tell the government fuck you
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Because he blew up a building filled with non combatants and children? |
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