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Old 05-12-2008, 06:22 PM
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If one would look with clear eyes one would know that it is culture that is,or is not evolved to the same degree. Culture ,or lack of modern culture dictates whether most people are fall into what some would consider less evolved individuals.

The most destructive thoughts mankind still has is the feelings of inferior,and or inferior, due to his preception of himself in relation to those not exactly like him,or her.
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Old 05-12-2008, 06:33 PM
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Cool In preception only.

do not know about people being racist thousands of years before evolution? Racial hatred is a learned behavior. Evolution has only been around for 150 years.


Evolution as an abstract thought may have come into being a short time ago, but that is only in the mind of man.

If evolution is a fact in nature, it has been effecting the successive generations of all life on the planet.

Evolution simply implies change, due to the progression of the physical and cultural levels of living organisms. Each has an effect on the other, sometimes one pushes the other and vise versa ,as environmental features change.
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Old 05-13-2008, 05:21 AM
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I do not know about people being racist thousands of years before evolution? Racial hatred is a learned behavior. Evolution has only been around for 150 years.

A divine creation is more credible than an explosion.
Yeah, how else could they justify the slavery in egypt, or the superiority of one group over another.. people naturally chose to distinguish between things, and people are things, it's just the way we see the world, some people see differences, some people see differences which make one group superior or inferior..

Evolution, and the start of life on earth are TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. One stands free of the other.

As it stands, divine creation is as credible as any of the other hundreds of creation myths in any of the other 100's of religions.. I kind of like the dreamtime myths from the australian aboriginals. Nice stories, but that's about it.

Please stop with the intelligent design crap.
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Yeah, how else could they justify the slavery in egypt, or the superiority of one group over another.. people naturally chose to distinguish between things, and people are things, it's just the way we see the world, some people see differences, some people see differences which make one group superior or inferior..

Evolution, and the start of life on earth are TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. One stands free of the other.



Please stop with the intelligent design crap.
Again, evolution as an acumulation of changes over time happend whether man recgonized it or not. The two subjects stand alone only in that only mankind gave the acumulation of those changes, that have been happening to all living organisms, recgonition, using the theory that expressed their understanding of the process.

The effects of changing environment and Weather in conjunction with specific physical events in the past has changed the living conditions of those animals and organisms that existed in given time periods.

Just as virus changes and pathogens change to counter act our use of anti biotics; all living creatures change by degree over periods of time. Otherwise, they become non existent
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Yeah, how else could they justify the slavery in egypt, or the superiority of one group over another.. people naturally chose to distinguish between things, and people are things, it's just the way we see the world, some people see differences, some people see differences which make one group superior or inferior..

Evolution, and the start of life on earth are TWO DIFFERENT SUBJECTS. One stands free of the other.

As it stands, divine creation is as credible as any of the other hundreds of creation myths in any of the other 100's of religions.. I kind of like the dreamtime myths from the australian aboriginals. Nice stories, but that's about it.

Please stop with the intelligent design crap.
One pile of crap smells more than the other.
An explosion created the human conscience? That has zero credibility.

How can evolution and the start of life be two different subjects?
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One pile of crap smells more than the other.
An explosion created the human conscience? That has zero credibility.

How can evolution and the start of life be two different subjects?
Because evolution as defined in Darwin's first book is not about the "Origin of Life", but the "Origin of Species". Darwin, being a good scientist, limited the range of his inquiry into something that can be examined. This is why his works are so valuable to read. His methodology was incredible. It shows the ideal of how science should be, but unfortunately seldom is.

As for "explosion created the human conscience", it didn't. In that it appears that the universe is 12 billion years old or so, and human consciousness has probably only been around for about 40K years, hard to say that one caused the other.
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Because evolution as defined in Darwin's first book is not about the "Origin of Life", but the "Origin of Species". Darwin, being a good scientist, limited the range of his inquiry into something that can be examined. This is why his works are so valuable to read. His methodology was incredible. It shows the ideal of how science should be, but unfortunately seldom is.

As for "explosion created the human conscience", it didn't. In that it appears that the universe is 12 billion years old or so, and human consciousness has probably only been around for about 40K years, hard to say that one caused the other.
The book's full title is On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, while for the 6th edition of 1872 the title was changed to The Origin of Species.
The Preservation of favored races?
Is Darwin speaking of God favoring certain races?
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The book's full title is On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, while for the 6th edition of 1872 the title was changed to The Origin of Species.
The Preservation of favored races?
Is Darwin speaking of God favoring certain races?
Different generation, different word usage. At the time "race" was used in a similar meaning to "varieties", for instance in the book Darwin speaks of "several races, for instance, of the cabbage".

As for "favored", he was speaking that natural selection "favored" certain species. This was a poor choice of words on his part, which is why it was dropped in the later edition. Furthermore, Darwin's belief on the subject expanded as the debate raged, and he realized how his works were being interpreted.
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Different generation, different word usage. At the time "race" was used in a similar meaning to "varieties", for instance in the book Darwin speaks of "several races, for instance, of the cabbage".

As for "favored", he was speaking that natural selection "favored" certain species. This was a poor choice of words on his part, which is why it was dropped in the later edition. Furthermore, Darwin's belief on the subject expanded as the debate raged, and he realized how his works were being interpreted.
I can appreciate your defense of the theory of evolution but many people that support the theory of Evolution disagree with your views.
Evolution is being used by these people to define the creation of mankind.
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I can appreciate your defense of the theory of evolution but many people that support the theory of Evolution disagree with your views.
Evolution is being used by these people to define the creation of mankind.
I can't help it if there are idiots who use it that way. And that idiots use it that way no way detracts from what Darwin said any more than the idiots who mis-use the bible takes away from what it says.
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