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04-14-2008, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TakuanSoho
Genocide much?
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I think what he meant was that if you look back through history who will find that the extreme Arabs terrorist groups have always initiated conflict with Israel and furthermore have in their stated goals among other things as wanting (like Iran) to destroy the state of Israel. they believe that is the word of Allah. So, Mr. Carter: What do you think you will accomplish? What will Carter say that is new that he hasn't said to them for the past 35 years everytime he has bent over for mass murderers.
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04-14-2008, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Teak
True, but the dialog must be between the combatants, and Peanut won't accomplish that little task. Hell, the only reason he was able to get a treaty between Eygpt and Israel was because Eygpt was tired of getting its ass stomped.
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The trip is to have talks with both sides. That sounds like dialogue between combatants to me. I give him credit for at least trying....
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God said to do this 4000 or so years ago. The Isrealites intermarried instead. They should have listened to God
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I didn't know that God was genocidal. Isn't God supposed to be the good one? 
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04-14-2008, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Heckler
The trip is to have talks with both sides. That sounds like dialogue between combatants to me. I give him credit for at least trying....
I didn't know that God was genocidal. Isn't God supposed to be the good one? 
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God is the good one, that's why he said kill all of them, he even said to salt the earth so they could grow no crops
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04-14-2008, 02:14 PM
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I think what he meant was that if you look back through history who will find that the extreme Arabs terrorist groups have always initiated conflict with Israel and furthermore have in their stated goals among other things as wanting (like Iran) to destroy the state of Israel. they believe that is the word of Allah. So, Mr. Carter: What do you think you will accomplish? What will Carter say that is new that he hasn't said to them for the past 35 years everytime he has bent over for mass murderers.
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It takes two sides (at least) for a fight.
You forgot to mention these shitheads: Irgun.
They were responsible for this:
The King David Hotel bombing (July 22, 1946) was a bomb attack against the British Mandate government of Palestine and its armed forces by members of the Irgun, a militant Zionist organization, which was led at the time by Menachem Begin, a future Prime Minister of Israel.
What did they claim as their reason? They were being oppressed.
Sounds kind of familiar.
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04-14-2008, 04:37 PM
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I watched a show on the History channel the other day about how the world is going to end. The theory is that the Middle East countries will end it with a nuclear war in the near future.
Truth or myth, take your pick but as crazy as those people over there are when more of them get nukes there is no doubt in my mind that one of the fools will pull the trigger.. The beginning and the end...
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04-14-2008, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
You may be right about that.
However, peace will never come to the region through bullets and bombs, only through dialogue.
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Yes "cranky", dialogue before bullets & bombs: if necessary over & over again. However, all of this just shows how terribly volitile & complex are the 1000 years of tribes & hostility & violence in the region.
Perhaps, we are not the ones to be doing the dialogue: I have no problem with us talking until we are blue in the face, but I do have a problem with our lazzie fare positions on our alleged allies NOT talking. (Saudis, Jordanians, et al) ...pjwky
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04-15-2008, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by steve k
I think what he meant was that if you look back through history who will find that the extreme Arabs terrorist groups have always initiated conflict with Israel and furthermore have in their stated goals among other things as wanting (like Iran) to destroy the state of Israel. they believe that is the word of Allah. So, Mr. Carter: What do you think you will accomplish? What will Carter say that is new that he hasn't said to them for the past 35 years everytime he has bent over for mass murderers.
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Yes, thank you for clarifying my remarks.
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04-15-2008, 10:51 AM
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The trip is to have talks with both sides. That sounds like dialogue between combatants to me. I give him credit for at least trying....
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A talk between "Hamass" and Carter, is not a dialog between combatants. Hell, Israel won't even help with security. So I would say even talking to Peanut is out of the question. Nor will they talk to radical Palestinians, until they give up their demand for Israel's destruction. Dumb ass is just on one last tour before he can't travel any more.
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04-15-2008, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by CrankyYankee
You may be right about that.
However, peace will never come to the region through bullets and bombs, only through dialogue.
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Agree CY
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Originally Posted by Teak
True, but the dialog must be between the combatants, and Peanut won't accomplish that little task. Hell, the only reason he was able to get a treaty between Eygpt and Israel was because Eygpt was tired of getting its ass stomped.
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Good point Teak, in bold, although "Peanut" as you refer to him is not trying to accomplish a treaty.
He is going to attempt to win the release of the Israel hostages. He is unafraid and no one will open a dialogue, there is so much hostility from both sides.
The odds are against Carter, but if he did secure a release that might open a door.... unlikely to happen , but there is no harm in dialogue. In addition, Syria is going to allow him to visit the soldiers which could bring comfort and reports to their parents. At least we know Carter will not sell them arms in exchange for hostages as Reagan did, after Carter held firm on the Iran hostage crisis.
Carter met on Sunday night with the parents of kidnapped IDF soldier Cpl. Gilad Schalit. In a closed-door conversation over tea in the King David Hotel, where the ex-president is staying, Noam Schalit asked Carter to help advance a deal to free his son, who has been held by Hamas for 33 months, when Carter meets with Mashaal later this week in Syria. In an interview the parents spoke of the meeting with Carter.
“We spoke. We asked him to use his influence to help us,” Schalit told The Jerusalem Post after the meeting.
On Monday, Carter is slated to visit both Sderot and Barzilai Medical Center in Ashkelon.
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04-15-2008, 02:07 PM
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Jimma Cawder will merely grin like the buffoon he is, pretend he did some good, come back to the US and build a few more houses (which he really should spend more time on) Everyone the world over knows that Jimma Cawder is nothing more than a lap dog for every tyrannt and murderer in power. He has never met a dictator he could not "dialogue" with.
I will never forget or forgive this bumbling buffoon of a peanut farmer grinning like a loon while the president of Mexico called us every name in the book. Does anyone really think Reagan or Bush would have allowed that to go unanswered? The man is a disgrace to the office of the presidency. If he had any honor at all he would go back to Plains and play with himself until his end of days. Of course honor and Democrat are oxymorons aren't they
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