NSA eavesdropping program ruled unconstitutional
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/08/...uit/index.html

__________________
"If you don't know where you are going, you will probably wind up somewhere else."
- Laurence J. Peter

Good I say. I never felt comfortable with the practice anyway. Now we can get it through the court system and get it ruled upon.

I do know one thing, this ruling by a Jimmy Carter appointed judge (semi-retired now) will drive my mother-in-law nuts!

If it justifies a warrant, then go for it. If the government can't work within the law, then change the law, don't ignore it.

__________________
"If you don't know where you are going, you will probably wind up somewhere else."
- Laurence J. Peter

Bush can't get a break can he...

Those damn 'activist' judges...why I oughta' ^*&%$!!!!

Yeah, activist to define and enforced what presidential powers actually are supposed to be.

Now, with these rulings (is it three..four now?) you have to ask where the hell did David Addington get his law degrees and where did he practice law? Was he maybe Noriega's counsel or something?

I don't understand how either the first amendment of free speach or the fourth amendment protecting us from unreasonable search and seizure are violated by these wire taps.

First off, it never stops anyone from saying anything; it just makes people think twice about announcing the illegal stuff that they are doing.

Secondly, given there is sort of a search, but no more than if they were sitting on the sidewalk and heard these people talking and they are definately not taking anything from these people. Amendment IV protects us from having the government come into our houses and take what we have; it's not made to keep us from getting caught when we're doing something illegal.

There are certain risk people take when communicating; one of them is that someone is going to overhear you. You can almost be certain that when ever you say something everyone is going to hear it, actually. Plain and simple, if you're doing something that you don't want people to know about don't tell anyone; don't put our nation's people at risk because you don't want to get caught.

I hope that's coherent; I'm pretty tired.

__________________
"If I didn't live in Ohio I would love to live in Texas, it's the only place where drinking beer and kickin' ass is still accepted." -Roman

I didn't disagree with these points and am personally willing to 'give and little to get a little' when talking about catching terrorists. That is not the problem with most people I talk to on both sides; both liberal and conservative. The issue is the erosion of legal rights we have not getting approved by legal experts and judges (outside looking in). The administartion is having to back track now because it is well documented they relied on one legal mind for the, David Addington. As counsel to the Vice President (mainly) he told gave a go ahead that then Cheney (more than anyone) went ahead with. Actually the authority and jurisdiction of the both the courts and CIA were usurped, it did not have to happen this way.

The ruling today was in response to the administrion not using the channels given to them (again). There is a United States Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that is there for this very thing and it was bypassed (intentionally) as was the FISA. There is a pattern and that is a bad thing. I totally agree about security but you cannot erode away the rule of law like this, and Federal Judge gave a ruling...stop doing it.

Thank God. Wouldn't want to p**s off terrorists.

Bush must learn to work w/i the law, plain and simple. The Presidency must abide by the law just like the congress and the judicial branches of our Government!!!

Don't worry, Bush will keep trying to exert his so called Presidential authority to attempt to acheive his personal agendas, but the tide is changing.

1. Judges have ruled against Bush's torture ambitions

2. Judges have ruled against Bush's attempt to hold so called enemy combatants with out a trial.

3. Judges have now ruled against Bush unwarranted spying and eaves dropping.

Good, way to go ACLU!

Gee and the judge was appointed by Jimmy Carter. Now what are the odds of that.

__________________
I love to relax by shooting cans.........AfriCANS, MexiCANS, Puerto RiCANS.................